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Some pictures and videos from today. The steam you see is from the burst hot water pipes https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/13/myndskeid_synir_sprungu_i_gegnum_i_grindavik/ Some people were allowed to quickly gather some belongings today under supervision of emergency volunteers. Most locals have not been allowed in and might never be. Talk of raising emergency housing for thousands of displaced people like we did after the Heimaey eruption. No eruption yet and quakes move deeper again, but this is already bad. https://www.visir.is/g/20232488576d And one from RUV in English https://www.ruv.is/frettir/innlent/2023-11-13-skemmdir-i-grindavik-minna-a-christchurch-396911

I guess I am just too much of a commie to play the game in my own interest. Anyway, I think representative democracy has been terminally polluted by money power, I don't believe in it anymore. Can you name a politician that you trust? I can't. Some kind of direct democracy needs to be molded into a workable system I think and hope as the optimist that I am deep down. I believe in people when push comes to shove, I think we will overcome all obstacles. Naive idealism?, perhaps, but I dare not think otherwise.

A ramit rant The hard truth is that people are pawns because they allow themselves to be. The victim is not innocent of being victimized is another way to put it and just writing that will have some up in arms in outrage, but it is true none the less. We choose to submit to power, we allow governments to treat us like property to do with as they please and when they do we place the blame on them, when it is really our own fault, for we have the true power when we stand together, we get our way when we unite and take collective responsibility for the planet we share and how it is governed. But here lies the problem, we collectively avoid responsibility, it is convenient for us to have someone else than ourselves to blame, politicians, industrialists, media, generals. We either change ourselves or continue to moan about the state of the world as we repeatedly fall for the divide and rule methods placed against us. With all our problems of division, we still have much more in common than divides us. Imagine if war is declared and no one shows up.

The quakes are mostly smaller now, with a few bigger one's in between. A large crack in the ground has appeared running straight through the middle of Grindavík town. Preparations are being made for residents to be allowed to quickly gather some belongings, left behind pets and so forth and a long row of cars is lined up awaiting to be let into the area. Only those in the most eastern part of Grindavík town will apparently be allowed this, which is being criticized by other residents naturally. This is crazy dangerous IMO, like Russian roulette, the ground can open at any time. Perhaps using helicopters in the most dangerous areas would be a solution, ready for a quick takeoff, but that is also risky. The unity of the townspeople has been disturbed in this discussion, not good to see.

Such sad news. My thoughts are with his family and friends. When I was going through a trying time it was Daniel who contacted me to lift me up with words of support and caring. He was going through much worse, yet he reached out to me in a selfless loving way, it shows what kind of stand up fellow he was. Rest in peace dear boy.

There is a lot of magma moving right under Grindavík. Emergency crews have been called from there, plus a coastguard ship in harbor has moved away from shore. The poor locals are going to need lots of support from the rest of us and they will get it, we stick together here. The magma stretches out under the sea, if it comes up there it will be explosive with lots of ash. Others warn of the Krýsuvík area, a much closer system to Reykjavík which would be really bad and still others claim all this could lead to nothing at all. Nervous times.

Not expecting eruption until quakes are shallower, but many people are leaving the town, for this is how it is living in Grindavík now, a town of over 3000 people. Red Cross has opened shelters, men will be working all night creating barriers around the power station at Svartsengi.

Constant quakes now, situation at state of emergency, this could be close now, as soon as the quakes die down, that could be it. Thanks so much for the link @Eddie it is very useful.

Enjoy

Things are heating up again and in a bad way. Numerous earthquakes like before earlier eruptions, but this time much more magma flow and much closer to habitation. The magma is spreading horizontally at around 5km depth causing earthquakes as it pushes outward but appears to be quite shallower now. Last night there was a quake registering 5 at 3 km depth. The power station and the town of Grindavík are in danger. If the power station goes under, it means no electricity or hot water for a large part of the peninsula affecting tens of thousands. To update from this video, the Blue Lagoon has been closed and the adjoining hotel as well. The tourists came running out last night seeking to be moved away from the area. This could turn out very badly, be a much more powerful eruption than earlier ones and with a shorter warning period.

Good post. The warning from USA is likely just for show.

Which is worse, seeming incompetent or being incompetent? If you are only seeming incompetent you can quickly pull your proverbial pants up and rectify that situation, as it can be argued is the current case with IDF making good progress in Gaza. If you are incompetent, it's a lot harder to gain confidence, because uhh, you are incompetent.

Now you want to shut me up, interesting. What was disturbing in my post, that I questioned the logic of your argument, do you have exclusive rights to such methods as portrayed in your conspiracy theorists remarks?

Argue your points by all means, but please don't be so condescending. Is it possible that your rejection of the possibility of Israeli foreknowledge is based more on emotional simple denial than logic in this case? Zionists have a history of sacrificing their people for gain, Israel would likely not exist, if not for their conniving. You claim that IDF senior officers would have to have been in the know, that is simply not true, they are soldiers, they do as they are told, a secret operation is of course worked in a need to know compartmentalized way.

I don't agree. It would not require senior IDF officers to have participated in the conspiracy, only to follow orders. “Theirs not to make reply / Theirs not to reason why / Theirs but to do and die.”

Wouldn't work, we have a low tolerance for religious types, as we are Christian by name only. I wish there were fewer here than are now, we have had a massive influx of immigrants, now standing at 17% and rising, not counting many of the foreign workers. Also, whaling is fine, wailing is not.😉

I could give you a very good example, but for two reasons I wont. First, this is not an earnest request, second, do your own work.

This took some time to plan, an Israeli spy would have ample time to contact control. This is not 1973, high tech surveillance was not available then and Israel has the best in the world. They also have a faithful ally in USA who supply them with any intelligence they may need, satellite info for instance. We are on opposite ends on this matter, the evidence for gross incompetence is also circumstantial, but you choose to believe that, alright fair enough, thanks for a relatively civilized discourse on the question.

Conspiracies happen all the time, powerful people get together and concoct a common plan for their gain. It is amazing to me how the greater public has conveniently eaten up any talk of conspiracy from high circles as nonsense, that all conspiracy theories are to be dismissed as lunacy. The evidence points to an inside job, not the official story. Those who claim the official story is correct must produce convincing evidence to support that story. You are believing in something just as mind-blowing, that Israeli military and intelligence service is hopelessly incompetent, that the most monitored area in the world, wasn't really that monitored, that there was no forewarning of what was to come. In the end who will gain? Israel will take over the entire Gaza by the looks of it, is that in Palestinians interest or Israels?

I don't doubt that the common Hamas fighters were ignorant of the plans for that day, but Israeli intelligence infiltrated the top echelon of Hamas in Gaza long ago, it would be silly to think otherwise. On top of that, the response was way too slow to be believable, unless you mean to state that the Israeli military and intelligence is the most incompetent of it's kind in the world. I understand that it's hard to accept that a government would sacrifice it's own people in the hundreds to achieve political ends, an excuse to justify the mass killing and invasion we see today, but this is what I firmly believe to be true and the evidence does decidedly point to it. We may like to think that government officials are basically normal people with basic human considerations, but we also know from experience that power corrupts, turning men to monsters.

This is your reasoning? Lol, alright fella.

How about addressing the points made in that video instead of weakly attacking the messenger. Gaza is the most heavily monitored area in the world. Answer the questions put forth in the video and perhaps your points can be taken seriously, or you can just take your pot shot and then leave us to it, I suspect it will be the latter.

This needs repeating until understood by all. Simple denial or attempts at rationalizing the official narrative will not suffice. David is correct on every count here.

This slaughter is straining long standing relations, Jordan is an ally of USA.