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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Wolfie in Glass half full!   
    They bloody well should know better, shouldn't they?. I'd be concerned if the various coaches around the club didn't know any more about the relative quality of our young players and suitability for the first 11 than the chuckle brothers here on a forum.
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Dan_Ram in Glass half full!   
    We haven't seen a lot of them yet but the people who pick the team, who see them every day in training, who have decades of experience in coaching youth teams and knowledge of the step up between youth to senior football have seen them and aren't picking them. 
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from BaianoPOTY98 in Glass half full!   
    They aren’t good enough yet???
    We haven’t seen anywhere near enough of them to make that sort of comment. 
     
    Most of our first team arent good enough. 
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from DavesaRam in Glass half full!   
    They aren’t good enough yet???
    We haven’t seen anywhere near enough of them to make that sort of comment. 
     
    Most of our first team arent good enough. 
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Sparkle in Warne Out Out   
    We are in the third division and we should be winning every game because the other teams are not very good. Even the better teams are the ones we expect to beat comfortably in the championship - sorry but we massively underperformed on far too many occasions considering what we have available compared to other clubs - yes I know we can’t win every game but we should be looking like we would.
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to duncanjwitham in Warne Out Out   
    Well, we currently have none of those things, so... 
    We're not demanding the earth, we know where we've come from, and we're not expecting instant success.  What we want is a clear sign that we're actually working towards those things.  Right now, the messages coming from the club are the exact opposite of all of those.  You might disregard that Warne clip as a throwaway comment but it's *really* not, it ties up perfectly with everything he is actually doing on the pitch regarding academy players.  They are at best an after thought.  A bone to be tossed their way if there's nothing important on the line.  He hasn't integrated Brown at all, he's barely had a kick.  Thompson and Rooney were barely used last season, and only used this season after his carefully planned summer transfer spree turned into a complete disaster.  He hails Bird as our best player, then plays him a position where he barely touches the ball half the time.  Likewise, he hails Sibley as our best finisher then never brings him on when we need a goal.  Robinson is apparently so good that Villa and Southampton are looking at him, yet he's barely kicked a ball for us.  Weston scores on his debut, is then denied two obvious opportunities to take his chance and run with it.  The list goes on and on and on.
    You can't just say that we're in too much of a mess to integrate academy players, in fact it's the perfect opportunity to do it.  Academy players don't just magically turn into first-team players overnight, they need to introduced slowly into the first team.  Right now, we've got a massively bloated first team squad - if everyone's fit we have 25 first team players (I'm including Thompson and Rooney, but not Robinson, Brown, Weston etc).  Even if you exclude the long-term injured, it's still a huge squad.  Barring an injury crisis, there's no way an academy player is even making the bench, let alone getting on the pitch.  Even last season, with a smaller squad, we over-played older players to the point of exhaustion rather than give a few minutes to youth players.  We've taken a position where we had the perfect opportunity to introduce academy players to fill in the gaps in the squad, and done out level best to make sure it never happened.
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Ghost of Clough in Glass half full!   
    There are only 3 players to have come through Rotherham's academy during Warne's time as manager, and still be playing league football. For comparison, it would be very disappointing if our club produced fewer League footballers than that every season.
    The only success story for Warne is Ben Wiles. A CM who made 193 appearances for Rotherham's first team.
           17/18 - 134 mins in the EFL Trophy
           18/19 - 1159 mins (Championship)
           19/20 - 40 apps (League 1)
           20/21 - 45 apps (Championship)
           21/22 - 53 apps (League 1)
           22/23 - 30 apps (Championship) then a £2m move to Huddersfield
    Jerry Yates - a CF who made his first team debut the season before Warne became manager. He played 46 times (scoring only 3) before being sold to Blackpool for £200k in 2020 before eventually earning a move to Cardiff for £2.5m last summer.
           14/15 - (before Warne) 5 mins in the league
           15/16 - (before Warne) not used
           16/17 - 1089 first team mins (Championship), introduced during an injury crisis
           17/18 - 855 mins (League 1)
           18/19 - loan to Carlisle (League 2) and played in 29 games, then returned to Rotherham for 237 mins across 7 games (Championship)
           19/20 - last minute sub in 1 League 1 game, and 35 games on loan at Swindon (League 2)
    Josh Kayode - another CF who made all 37 his Rotherham appearances under Warne (3 goals)
           17/18 - 51 mins in the EFL Trophy
           18/19 - short loan to Chesterfield (National League) where he played for 140 mins
           19/20 - 17 mins in the EFL Trophy, followed by 22 games at Gateshead (National League North) and 5 games at Carlisle (League 2)
           20/21 - Another loan to Carlisle (League 2) where he played in 36 games
           21/22 - 1178 first team minutes spread across 28 games (League 1)
           22/23 - 26 mins in the League Cup prior to a loan at MK Dons where he made 9 appearances
    I refer you back to the Fan Forum - earlier that day, Warne attended an U21 game, with Weston scoring a hattrick. Warne didn't even know his name. He also thought he was watching U21 football prior to our first team games on Saturdays when it was actually U18s.
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to sage in Glass half full!   
    Well. let's close down the forum then, because they know better. All comment is futile. 
     
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from Wolfie20 in Glass half full!   
    Ah OK, you sound like an expert at this. 
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from Banksy in Academy thread 23/24   
    It was more a comment of that Warne probably doesn't know where the academy is at Derby 
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from RoyMac5 in Glass half full!   
    Dan the man knows his stuff Roy - can't mess with his knowledge 🤣
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to RoyMac5 in Glass half full!   
    Has Warne decades of experience in playing youth? I suppose he must have brought some players through Rotherham's academy?
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from Banksy in Academy thread 23/24   
    Probably a good chance Warne has never heard of Jake Buxton 🤣
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Banksy in Warne Out Out   
    The benefit of hindsight would make everyone of us on this planet much the wiser and the world would be so much a better place. What David Clowes has done for Derby County could not have been bettered by any living man born in this county. The debt we owe him can never be repaid.
    This column was not available 15 months ago. It was only published yesterday.
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to DavesaRam in Warne Out Out   
    I have to admit I wasn't excited by the thought of the sort of football Warne would bring with him, but was prepared to give him a chance. And at first I was happy with the urgency which he got us moving the ball forwards. Despite the result in our opening match this season we looked ok, but then came a succession of matches where we were being outplayed by teams with a kindergarten budget and tiny squad. But we didn't have the ideal start to the season, so I wanted to give him, and the team a fair chance. But it has turned out to be really difficult to keep the chance open. Our feelings that the team could do so much more than they were being allowed to was confirmed on the rare occasions when we went onto the pitch and played football, and the frustrations boiled over when, after showing just how we could play, we went back to the "wide and whack it" philosophy, along with its associated poor results. 
    The outcry peaked after the Stevenage and Crewe matches, and suddenly we got two decent, footballing performances, almost as if after refusing to go to the fans, Warne just threw his hands in the air and let the lads get on with it. And suddenly it was "corner turned". Only it wasn't, we went to Crewe and went back to wing and whack ------ again! Then two more decent performances, followed yet again by a load of dross.
    However, what has turned me firmly into Warne out are two separate things. One is the number of player set to leave us in the summer, which they will if we are not promoted. Is Warne capable, on his Derby history so far, or recruiting better players? Or are we going to end up with a small squad, coupled with lower attendances, and struggling to get the player we need, and therefore get trapped in this league for years to come? 
    But worse than that are two things that Paul Warne has said. Firstly, in the pre-match waffle for the Cheltenham match, or should I say mismatch, he told us that the Cheltenham midfield kept getting over-run in their previous matches, so in case they simply packed their midfield out, we would come up with the masterplan of playing around their midfield, which is Warnese for "bang it out to the wings, then lob high balls into the middle  because you never know, they might mis-head it and the ball may fall to one of our players, who might have arrived in the box before the ball gets cleared". We have seen in those matches where we played football that we have quite a good midfield if they are allowed to get involved, but instead of ripping Cheltenham apart, we ran way from them. Then comes his announcement that our young kids have only got two chances of first team football - fat chance and no chance. Guess how many of our young players will sign a new contract with Derby in the face of that glorious hope? It is an absolutely stupid attitude to have, especially when players get to the end of their contract. We could end up with no first team, and no kids to try and fill the gap with because no-one else wants to come here and play for him.
    I haven't felt so bereft of hope since I met John Newman all those years ago. He only had to walk in the room and he would suck the will to live out of everybody in the room. I suffer with sleep apnoea, and have to wear a CPAP mask at night, and wonder if I could use it during the day for life apnoea as a Derby County fan?
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to RoyMac5 in Warne Out Out   
    I was more interested in the first para about Rotherham owner looking for an established Championship manager and wondered whether Warne would fit that description! 😄
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Gerry Daly in Warne Out Out   
    This is also why we are struggling to keep players
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from RoyMac5 in Warne Out Out   
    This is why we're struggling to attract players
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to RoyMac5 in Warne Out Out   
    Really interesting. Reading that and considering where we are supposedly going with a Cat1 Academy I just do not understand how and why Warne was chosen. 
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Banksy in Warne Out Out   
    Your thoughts align very much with my own which have developed since Warne joined us. I recognise why Warne was chosen; because of his recent successes in gaining promotion from this division. But over the last 12 months I have become increasingly concerned as to whether he will be able to repeat that feat here and now because of how the modern methods have found their way down to Division One and have overtaken his previously tried and trusted methods. Warne has never accumulated in a single season the number of points attained by the three clubs promoted last season; 92 points may well have seen us not promoted last May. He was outstripped by the younger and emerging McKenna and Schumacher at Ipswich and Plymouth in particular. So far this season the same might be said about John Moussinho at Portsmouth and Liam Manning at Oxford (now replaced by Des Buckingham). All four represent the trend in moving to younger coaches rather than those with an previously established reputation. They seem to be breaking the mould of long ball being best to reach the Championship. Warne, by contrast, seems to be a one-trick-pony who knows no other way than what he’s tried before and seems to have little idea of how to change what is not currently going to plan.
    That brings me to the longer term strategic plan for the club with the rebuild of both the academy and the first team, which presently seems to be going in polar opposite directions. The senior team are stuck with Warne’s style while the academy teams continue to follow the style of the Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) encompassing a possession and passing game. For me the latter is essential if we are to retain our Category One Academy status because Warne’s methods would simply bring about catastrophe in PL2. The academy managers and coaches recruited for the rebuild seem to have been recruited for their experience and adherence to EPPP in bringing through young professionals to the first-team as has been done here before.
    It must be remembered that when they reach that stage, their development is still continuing; it is not suddenly complete. But when they get there they have to dismiss much of what they have been taught to fit in with what Paul Warne wants. It must be confusing, even wasteful, for them I feel and I wonder if it is an underlying reason for why Bird, Sibley and Knight have perhaps not performed at the level we came to hope and even expect from them earlier in their careers? Having said all of that, I am now thinking that unfortunately Paul Warne represents a square peg in a round hole at Derby County and he alone does not fit into the overall plan. I am doubtful about his willingness or ability to change.
    When the first team are not playing I watch the academy sides and my thoughts have become more entrenched since the start of the season. But at the end of the day, I’m not a professional coach but just a mere fan. That, like I expect with many supporters, always leaves room for self-doubt about the strength of our own opinions. However, yesterday when reading the EFL paper, I was warmed to come across an article about the new breed of coaches which is a topic that has recently been mentioned several times on here. In much more depth it addressed the subject under discussion. I have done my best to scan the double-page spread in three sections for anyone interested in reading it.



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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Gerry Daly in Warne Out Out   
    He has failed so far. How long is the period we should set to make a judgement as to whether he has failed or not?
    I think he absolutely must achieve promotion this season  
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from ANGERMAN1 in Warne Out Out   
    One word - patronising.
    He will never have any intention of using the academy - he doesn't care one bit about trying to develop players but that's because he doesn't have a clue about developing.
    Rubbish coach - get rid. 
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to RoyMac5 in Glass half full!   
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army reacted to Millenniumram in Glass half full!   
    The point is we SHOULD be as dominant as them this season in this league. As I’ve emphasised many times, it’s truly f****** awful. The gap between this and the championship is huge. It’s probably the worst league one in years, we absolutely should be dominating it with the quality at our disposal.
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    Bald Eagle's Barmy Army got a reaction from jimtastic56 in Glass half full!   
    Perhaps just a bit of consistency would make me happy. 
     
    Consistency in results, performances, what he says - but unfortunately everything he says and does doesn’t fill me with any confidence. 
     
    There’s so many mixed messages you don’t know what to believe. 
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