Jump to content

Dale The Ram

Member
  • Posts

    1,362
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Reputation Activity

  1. Haha
    Dale The Ram reacted to Rev in Keogh Sacked   
    Gonna throw up to the spirit in the Sky
    In the backseat, is where I'll lie
    Keep Mason Bennett, and Tom Lawrence too
    If you give me the sack, I'm gonna sue.
  2. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to Leicester Ram in Keogh Sacked   
    I'm not reading through 51 pages of this so I know what I'm going to say has hopefully already been said.
    People who see Richard Keogh as the victim here are wrong, Derby County are the victim.
    I'll preface this by saying I think all three should have been sacked. I would rather that have happened but I think Keogh is fully deserving of the sack.
    Keogh's 33 years old, I've worked with/been responsible for young people in a professional capacity who have the same age gap between me and them as Keogh did to Bennett/Lawrence. He should have known better.
    He got into Lawrence's car inebriated, knowing full well Lawrence was well over the limit and then didn't even put his ducking seatbelt on. The club captain. "Mr Derby County".
    By doing that he's pretty much ended his career,  he can't perform his job and he should consider himself lucky to be alive.
    Derby are right to sack him. I just don't have any sympathy for him. I think they were generous to offer him a chance to stay on a reduced contract.
    Just because he wasn't driving doesn't mean he's the victim in any way. He's dug his own grave by getting in that car let alone not putting on a seatbelt. It's not a situation where you can say 'well if Lawrence wasn't driving drunk Keogh would never have got injured!'. Keogh could have still got himself a taxi, the bloke can't drive, I'm sure he knows the number for a taxi company.
    He's damaged the club in a way the other two simply haven't. He's completely eradicated himself as an asset to his employers through his own irresponsible actions.
    I'd rather we'd have let Lawrence and Bennett go as well but if you see it from the clubs perspective, while their actions were equally as irresponsible they didn't go as far as to injure themselves. I don't know if they were wearing seatbelts or not but they can still do their job. The fact they were driving doesn't make them more responsible than Keogh.
    It's upsetting because Keogh was easily my favourite Derby player of all time. Shame he's been such an absolute clown.
     
  3. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to therealhantsram in Keogh Sacked   
    This is a really good point. The 4th player, supposedly an academy teenager... I can see how the club would be really angry that Keogh was complicit in him sharing a ride in Lawrence's car. It does aggregate the situation. 
  4. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to angieram in Keogh Sacked   
    I have felt too emotional about the whole situation to offer my view up to now.
    My heart is broken for a good captain and warrior for DCFC. To be sacked from the club you have given 100% to on the pitch over seven gruelling seasons must be humiliating and make you feel dreadful.
    However, my head now questions how much of Keogh's passion for Derby is real. The least favourable offer he turned down from the club, if accurate, of £3,000 per week, is more than the prime minister's salary and only slightly less than the chief police constable of Derbyshire who has responsibility for a huge budget and staff team  who do a tremendously difficult job every day at work.
    He was also being offered free state of the art rehabilitation facilities, could start to work on his coaching badges if he wished and presumably would also be free to supplement his income with appearances on Sky ("like you say") or other options if that is his choice. Most importantly in all this he was being offered an opportunity to retain his status as a good servant of the club and the adoration and support of the fans.
    He has chosen to reject all this for what? More money. Not much of a swap in my opinion.
    His action will now by actively costing the club too as they will have been taking expensive legal advice and will have to continue to do so over the appeal and possible tribunal.
    People are wondering why no official statement from Derby. I wonder whether the 'statement' we are reading is actually the dismissal letter to Keogh as the wording in it, including the 14 days' appeal time, reads like a letter from HR. 
    I don't know if I am being overly supportive of my club, but the whole way this story has broken makes me think it has come from Keogh's side. He clearly feels very aggrieved about the way he is being treated.
    I also think this will have been going back and forward for some time, that this is just the latest play from the club and that they might have been hoping for a response from Keogh that would have allowed him a successful appeal, rather than a messy, public and prolonged visit to an industrial tribunal.
    All this is huge speculation on my part, for which I hold my hands up. It is coloured by my huge love for our club, rather than for any individual player, no matter how good a servant he has been to DCFC.
    What I do know is that while Keogh still has my sympathy, he's lost my respect. 
     
     
  5. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to Ellafella in Keogh Sacked   
    I seem to recall a newspaper article saying that MM was keeping the Club afloat to the tune of £3M a month.
    In that context, is the Club really going to countenance paying a player £25k per week to not play possibly ever again for 15 months when the injury was completely self-inflicted? 
    Some have claimed that MM makes the “wrong decisions” because his heart rules his head. I’d say this is clear evidence that it is not true. it’s a decision made in the best interests of Derby County. 
     
     
  6. Haha
    Dale The Ram reacted to chadlad in Keogh Sacked   
    Morning Richard ?
  7. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to Archied in Keogh Sacked   
    Aren’t the club just doing what’s right for the club ? Surely that’s as it should be , all three players did what they wanted on that night( plus many other nights?) with no regard to the club and fulfilling their side of their contract , 
    now the club sacks the one who is on 25 k per week but due to his stupid selfish behaviour cannot play for a large chunk of his contract if ever again , punish the two who can still play and be sold ,get something back from for our financial outlay , there really is no moral dilemma here , 
    I like rich as a player for us and am sad for him and us fans that do like him that it’s ended this way but it is what it is , we need to bring in a replacement ,we can’t and shouldn’t have to cause the club financial problems because of the actions of these players
  8. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to LeedsCityRam in Keogh Sacked   
    Guess this is where we differ. Keogh was club captain & a long standing player. You've said that deserves leniency, for me that demands responsibility. I get that young lads will behave like idiots & let's face it we've all done stuff we wouldn't be proud of in later life. But Keogh as a 33 year old club captain, was actively part of that night out, didnt stop the 2 drunk drivers and got in one of the cars. 
    I manage people at my work. If a similar situation had occurred with my team, I would expect more scrutiny than the others. Does that translate to a club captain at a football club? As an ambassador of the club, I would argue so.
    Harsh or not, Keogh's injury has changed the landscape on this. Had it been the unnamed young player, the club would've reacted differently I'm sure. But Keogh is the experienced head, the playing figurehead of the club...I support the club's actions even though it saddens me. I still have Keogh & Harry Wilson celebrating at Leeds on my laptop, a mere 5 bloody months ago.
     
  9. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to Alph in Keogh Sacked   
    I don't buy this kind of talk though. 
    Maybe because when I was 24 or 25 I could walk on my own two feet and I didn't need or want excuses for my mistakes. Maybe that the reason I accept mistakes from people but not excuses. 
    If poor little Tom and precious little Mason look to Keogh as some sort of guidance then they need to grow the duck up
    I'm the same age as Keogh. I'm responsible for me and my daughters. I make mistakes and so do they. I accept consequences and I learn from them. Would i feck take a work colleague out and accept responsibility for him because he's 25. You can stick a piece of elastic on my arm every Saturday and still get the same answer
    In this world everyone knows a dhead but nobody admits to being one. 
    I'm capable of fecking up. So are you. Maybe people need to learn to say that more instead of looking to point the finger. 
    Mason Bennett is a Dad isn't he? Do he need Keogh to come around and wipe his arse while he wipes his own child
  10. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to LeedsCityRam in Keogh Sacked   
    @Alpha Some fair points. Personally I would've have been harsher on Lawrence & Bennett. Like the club, I wouldn't have named the young lad also there though.
    Keogh, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I liked him as a player & a bloke previously so no agenda. Is he being punished for bad luck in getting injured? Problem is you can never escape causation in that situation, he willingly got into a drunk's car, he ran that risk. As a club, we wouldn't be insured for that & his refusal to countenance a wage decrease is just unbelievable. Sadly I believe it reveals his true 'feelings' for Derby.
  11. Haha
    Dale The Ram reacted to Rolleston in Keogh Sacked   
    Cocu clearly dosn't know what he is managing, or he would never have allowed a team bonding session that was destined to get out of hand. He has to take some of the blame for this
  12. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to ThePrisoner in Keogh Sacked   
    Should he have followed every one of them home? Pull your head out your arse. 
  13. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to tombomb in Keogh Sacked   
    Just get rid of him, what use is he going to be in 14 months time without having played for such a long period and coming back from such a huge injury.... Hes done. Move on
  14. Clap
    Dale The Ram reacted to cheron85 in Keogh Sacked   
    Nah I wouldn't have thought so - So many footballers have been done drink driving over the years and people have short memories when there's a chance of getting a decent player or new signing - I keep reminding people Jody Morris was done drink driving at 27 and we welcomed him with open arms last year (and rightly so, he was punished, learned from it and seemingly was better for it)
    Bennett has technically zero value to the club as he was a youth player - Any money we make on him will be a net gain - I'd suggest Lawrence's form is the biggest factor for his value being lower at the moment 
    And not many investors / sponsors with decent levels of money are going to be put off by it - We had a spanking new deal with 32Red when we signed Rooney and he's had a drink driving conviction amongst other media-worthy incidents - Investors look at the long term and I very much doubt anyone looking at our club, strength of fanbase, amazing facilities and potential for expansion will be deciding against us based on the actions of 2 very silly boys doing something loads of other footballers have done in the past
  15. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to cheron85 in Keogh Sacked   
    I think you're looking at it the wrong way - I don't think this is a 'punishment' - Keogh (as far as I'm aware) isn't receiving any disciplinary measures from the club - No fines, no extra community work, no public apology, nothing
    However - When a player gets injured the standard practice is insurance covers their wages so the club doesn't have to pay for someone who can't work - They've obviously been waiting for the insurance company to decide whether this is covered and I suspect have found out that it isn't
    In that scenario they've gone to Keogh and explained that because the club is now on the hook for £2m in wages for him doing nothing maybe he could consider taking "only" £1m of that over the next 18 months to help them with the fact the insurance hasn't covered it because of an injury which was primarily his own stupid fault
    I think looking at it as a punishment isn't correct
     
     
    And just to add - A MILLION POUNDS?!?!?! He's still going to get paid £1m for sitting on his arse for 18 months
  16. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to IlsonDerby in Keogh Sacked   
    Treat as 3 separate incidents. 
    I'd imagine this would be the same sort of outcome had it been Keogh's Mrs who was over the limit and crashed with him in the car. 
     
    I think it is fair. A smaller (but guaranteed) salary with access to some of the best facilities in the country for his rehabilitation isn't bad considering he only has himself to blame for getting into the car. 
  17. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to Nuwtfly in Keogh Sacked   
    Sounds horrible but, unfortunately, the reality is that footballers are assets. Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett are still young(ish) and are assets with potential resale value (should their form drastically improve), which could be beneficial to the club. 
    Keogh is heading for the wrong end of 30 and will likely never play again. He's certainly not going to be able to play anywhere near to the standard we have seen in the last few years. His resale value is now £0.
    Again, this sounds horrible. But is the reality of the industry that is football. 
    Derby are doing what is in the best interests of the club itself, as opposed to Richard Keogh. 
  18. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to cheron85 in Keogh Sacked   
    Yeh but the financial implications to the club aren't anywhere near as hefty for the others - The other 2 we have punished, the state has punished and are now once again contributing in a way in which they are earning the wages we pay them - In fact they're gonna do extra community work and we're not paying them for 6 weeks so we're kinda making money from them
    Keogh on the other hand did something stupid and has paid a much worse price - But if his wages aren't covered by the club then Derby essentially have to pay out £2m over the next 18 months to a guy who cannot do his job - Because of an extremely avoidable accident
    If he'd fallen down the stairs at home or something like that I'd have more sympathy - But this was his own reckless stupidity and I'm not sure why we should continue to pay him the same wage for doing nothing
  19. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to cheron85 in Keogh Sacked   
    I'm not sure I can feel all that much outrage when - even at half wages - Keogh will be on £12.5k per week - That's not a bad wage to earn for 18 months while the club also pays for your care, gives you access to facilities and the best in sporting rehab - And he'll be contributing nothing towards what we pay him for (playing games)
    Yeh, I think the sacking rumour will be nonsense - I can't imagine anyone at the club leaking this information but I can imagine his agent doing it to generate sympathy for the player - In which case you throw in "yeh, the club threatened to sack him" it makes a story sympathetic - Whether the club have done that or not
  20. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to TigerTedd in Keogh Sacked   
    Yes, but the other two are able to play and earn their wages now. 
    if they ended up in prison for their crimes, then I’m sure they’d be facing a similar offer. We’re not going to pay them for sitting in jail. 
    But while they’re able to play, they’ve served their time, they’ve been punished in the eyes of the club and the law, so they carry on playing and getting paid for it. 
    This all seems completely sensible to me. 
    Keogh has sidelined himself through an unnecessary, avoidable, and non work related incident. So we shouldn’t have to pay him silly wages. Imagine if you could get yourself a massive contract, then just accidentally break your leg and sit the rest of the contract out on full wages. 
    Sean Barker, for example, is a different case, as he got his injury in the line of duty. 
  21. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to therams69 in Keogh Sacked   
    Well obviously, because the other 2 involved can still play football and earn a living where as the other cannot.  Hence why are they involved and the other isn't.
  22. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to Ghost of Clough in Frank Lampard   
  23. Like
    Dale The Ram reacted to BodminRam in Frank Lampard   
    All of a sudden Harry , Drogba , and all the others saying FL should leave us and was ready for Chelski have gone very quiet
  24. Haha
    Dale The Ram reacted to rynny in Frank Lampard   
    Hard work this Chelsea job

  25. Like
    Dale The Ram got a reaction from mike93rh in Ones That Got Away   
    Mbappe and Dembele
    Adam Smith for Bournemouth? Technically a starting premier league player, wasnt exactly a star when he was here so doubt anyone would have seen it coming.
×
×
  • Create New...