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Astonished to see McClaren commenting on Uniteds defeat and giving his knowledgeable advice as to the urgent requirements Unitrd need to improve for next season .
I would have thought his mind would have been on the changes required for the Rams next season bearing in mind his part in this last tragic fiasco now playing out. Concentrate on the job ahead Steve and butt out of other clubs .

A little less reassuring that Mel might not prevent someone with no money taking us over.
Simon Jordan - taken from the article - quotes:
“The reason I was on board with Erik Alonso was because I asked Mel Morris, and Mel Morris was on board with Erik Alonso. Then the EFL come along with its weights and measures and say ‘hold on a sec, that might satisfy you but it seems the origin of the funds isn't quite where we want them to be’.

Is the point not that, though all these things you mention here can and often do happen, we should still strive for an even playing field and indeed and even starting point for every team at the beginning of every season in their respective leagues?
Parachute payments create inequality in our division, and that inequality is getting more and more out of control.
We will end up with a small, closed off sect of teams each season in the Championship that will look more like a Premier League waiting room than anything else!

Waited until now then have you? Crack on then son. We'll wait... 🤦‍♂️

Is the point not that, though all these things you mention here can and often do happen, we should still strive for an even playing field and indeed and even starting point for every team at the beginning of every season in their respective leagues?
Parachute payments create inequality in our division, and that inequality is getting more and more out of control.
We will end up with a small, closed off sect of teams each season in the Championship that will look more like a Premier League waiting room than anything else!

Caps, Caps, Caps...and not the kind you find on a keyboard.
It's the only way I can see the EFL ever getting a handle on the equality of spending in this division.
Wage caps. Spending caps. I'm waving my cap and my little red book as we speak. 
Of course, this will never happen, because you'd need all leagues to do the same, and the Premier League are never, ever going to agree to that.
After all, it is the greed of the Premier League that has caused this mess.

£125m for being the worst team in the league.
Just let that sink in.
One hundred and twenty five million pounds for being crap.
That’s 3 clubs coming down with a total of £381m, but that’s not all, the Premier League will also give them parachute payments to soften the blow.
Sorry to start another topic on this, but it’s a topic that needs to be repeated, football is broken. It’s broken and they are doing nothing about it. Why?
We have to try and compete with those 3 next year, with barely any revenue we have to compete against clubs with over £100m in their back pockets.
What hope do we have?
Yes I know money doesn’t always = success, Brentford beat Bournemouth, made it to Wembley but how many years have they been trying to get there? 
Whoever goes up it’s a major achievement, getting past the parachute payment clubs, it’s huge, one season up there and they have banked over £100m, it’s madness.
We can never have a completely level playing field, I understand that, but the PL and EFL could come together and distribute that money out more fairly.
Why are they not?
Why are these questions not being asked?
Do we need to see more clubs liquidated, more clubs going bankrupt trying to compete from the Championship to League 2, all the national media journalists will be all over that, justice for Bury, why not call it out now? 
Heads are so far up the Premier League’s backside the Football League barely gets a mention.
I’m ranting I know, but £125m for being crap. 
Who signs off on that and thinks it’s good for football? 
It’s broken, football is broken.

Wayne Rooney

Is that what’s been suggested? That it’s got something to do with the MLS? I just don’t like the idea of Rooney bringing in an owner. The whole concept of that just doesn’t sound right to me. Might as well rename the club officially to: Wayne Rooney’s Derby County while he’s at it 😂

Mate, when I watch Derby play, I want to hit the bar too.

Signed by:
Jim Wheeler, Elaine Dean, Malcolm Turner (RamsTrust)
Lynn Hemsworth (Derby County Supporters Clubs)
Gary Dempsey (DCFC Disabled Supporters Clubs)
Punjabi Rams
Nick Webster (Flagman)
Paddy Breslin (84 club)
Jimmy Gregory (Rams Group)
Ollie Wright (Derby County Blog)
Chris Parsons (Steve Bloomer’s Washing podcast)
Jamie Thrasivoulou (Poet)
Ryan Hills (‘Pride’ author)

We would have agreed, eventually, after a 500 page thread discussion... 

I don't really disagree with a lot of the points you've made in this. Not all that surprised to see this post after that interview and those Owen Bradley tweets today, but fair is fair. 
He was dealt an awful hand for his first spell in management. He was getting results when Bielik was in the team. He is likely to be able to acquire some pretty decent signings, be that loan or permanent, much akin to Lampard when he was here. I also don't think it's worth dredging up Cocu anymore in regards to Rooney. His time has come and gone now. And expectations will not be wild and disproportionate next season. Or at least, they won't be from me anyway. Mid-table would be just fine.
But does he deserve this job? Does he deserve it?
Based on his 30+ games in charge so far? No. 
Did he deserve it in the first place? I would say no. But that's come and gone now.
Has he kept his job other than anything other to do with the fact that his name is Wayne Rooney and that we are absolutely skint? I don't think so. If his name was Micheal Tonge he would of been shown the door months ago. Well, let's be honest, he wouldn't have even gotten the job in the first place. 
So where do we go from here?
Let's be brutally honest...95% of the fanbase could vote in any poll anywhere you like and it wouldn't matter a jot. He isn't going anywhere. Not under Mel, and certainly not under any new consortium that he may or may not be courting himself.
So therefore, we sort of have to get behind him, don't we? He is going to be here whether we like it or not. Whether he deserves it or not. I personally can't stomach him, the cult of personality he brings with him, nor can I bare watching this club turning into Wayne Rooney FC, which it has been since the day Mel signed him. I don't want to see him as the manager of this football team. But he is.
So, I guess, in essence, I agree with you. A huge part of my initial problem with his appointment was that it wasn't appropriate to hire a rookie in that season, considering the way it had gone. I think I was proved right on that.
But a new season is a chance for a fresh start. He will get a few months, and that will be more than he deserves.

It is a shame there was not an opportunity to be consulted on it, whether that be a vote or something. I would suspect that the vast majority of this forum would have likely supported what all these other fan groups have come together to support. 

God, Roy, you and some of your Pro-Rooney troop really do such a good of finding the common ground with people that don't share your opinion. I really can't understand why you lot don't win us all over. 

Yes, I can see your point.
I’m also not quite sure why this had to be kept on the hush-hush. It’s not like the points that are being made in the letter will come as a shock to the club. All these things have been being said for weeks now, across the fan base.
If they (being the RamsTrust) had simply stated that they intended to send a letter to the club demanding clarity and answers, I imagine it still would have garnered thousands of signatures and therefore would have been more inclusionary.
I am personally a bit gutted I wasn’t able to sign it - I don’t think the fact that I don’t have a podcast, or a blog, or a book, makes me less of a fan. But I also appreciate that this is not necessarily a petition of sorts.
The more people you get behind the cause, the better, in my opinion.

Yes, I can see your point.
I’m also not quite sure why this had to be kept on the hush-hush. It’s not like the points that are being made in the letter will come as a shock to the club. All these things have been being said for weeks now, across the fan base.
If they (being the RamsTrust) had simply stated that they intended to send a letter to the club demanding clarity and answers, I imagine it still would have garnered thousands of signatures and therefore would have been more inclusionary.
I am personally a bit gutted I wasn’t able to sign it - I don’t think the fact that I don’t have a podcast, or a blog, or a book, makes me less of a fan. But I also appreciate that this is not necessarily a petition of sorts.
The more people you get behind the cause, the better, in my opinion.

Point of information..... Despite feeling Rooney's arrival undermined Cocu (instigated by Mel, press articles about next manager etc).... After Cocu had left and I heard a few interviews from Rooney, I was actually one of the first to support the idea of appointing him.
I preferred the idea of a hungry, young dynamic manager to one of the journeymen (Big Sam, Pullis, Warnock etc). And I don't like Terry, the other candidate mooted at the time.
Why I've changed my mind is simply because of the approach that Rooney adopted.
Sure, he's inherited a poor squad, injuries and not just to Bielik have hit us hard. But sheesh. Changing tactics, lineups every game. Matching the opposition. Bizarre substitutions.
All supposedly justified because we were playing for the points. Well that wasn't terribly successful.
So I am sorry. I have totally lost confidence.
But yes, I hope I am wrong. Rooney will be our manager going into next season. So I want him to succeed as much as I would want any manager to succeed.
I just hope and pray he adopts a different approach.

They are a splinter faction of the Derby fanbase. Their modus operandi is to tie the limbs of a Ram together tightly and roughly with rope to prevent them from moving or escaping and to then inflict their views on them.

Honestly, Roy, at this point, I'm not sure.
There is a part of me that thinks that, if he really has to be the manager for next season, then he deserves to have a crack at it. 15 games at a minimum, as well as the ability to make his own signings. Any manager deserves that.
But, if I'm totally honest, I think some of the sentiment from some Rooney-In people on here has been so blinkered and, at times, so arrogant, that it makes any form of reconciliation difficult. But that is just my opinion. I think some people on this forum have tried to make Anti-Rooney people out to be a toxic part of this fanbase, whereas I think the shoe fits just as well on the other foot. 
I've actually not known a time on this forum where it has seemed so polarized around one manager. It's sad really.

God, Roy, you and some of your Pro-Rooney troop really do such a good of finding the common ground with people that don't share your opinion. I really can't understand why you lot don't win us all over. 

I don't really disagree with a lot of the points you've made in this. Not all that surprised to see this post after that interview and those Owen Bradley tweets today, but fair is fair. 
He was dealt an awful hand for his first spell in management. He was getting results when Bielik was in the team. He is likely to be able to acquire some pretty decent signings, be that loan or permanent, much akin to Lampard when he was here. I also don't think it's worth dredging up Cocu anymore in regards to Rooney. His time has come and gone now. And expectations will not be wild and disproportionate next season. Or at least, they won't be from me anyway. Mid-table would be just fine.
But does he deserve this job? Does he deserve it?
Based on his 30+ games in charge so far? No. 
Did he deserve it in the first place? I would say no. But that's come and gone now.
Has he kept his job other than anything other to do with the fact that his name is Wayne Rooney and that we are absolutely skint? I don't think so. If his name was Micheal Tonge he would of been shown the door months ago. Well, let's be honest, he wouldn't have even gotten the job in the first place. 
So where do we go from here?
Let's be brutally honest...95% of the fanbase could vote in any poll anywhere you like and it wouldn't matter a jot. He isn't going anywhere. Not under Mel, and certainly not under any new consortium that he may or may not be courting himself.
So therefore, we sort of have to get behind him, don't we? He is going to be here whether we like it or not. Whether he deserves it or not. I personally can't stomach him, the cult of personality he brings with him, nor can I bare watching this club turning into Wayne Rooney FC, which it has been since the day Mel signed him. I don't want to see him as the manager of this football team. But he is.
So, I guess, in essence, I agree with you. A huge part of my initial problem with his appointment was that it wasn't appropriate to hire a rookie in that season, considering the way it had gone. I think I was proved right on that.
But a new season is a chance for a fresh start. He will get a few months, and that will be more than he deserves.

It is a shame there was not an opportunity to be consulted on it, whether that be a vote or something. I would suspect that the vast majority of this forum would have likely supported what all these other fan groups have come together to support. 

I don't really disagree with a lot of the points you've made in this. Not all that surprised to see this post after that interview and those Owen Bradley tweets today, but fair is fair. 
He was dealt an awful hand for his first spell in management. He was getting results when Bielik was in the team. He is likely to be able to acquire some pretty decent signings, be that loan or permanent, much akin to Lampard when he was here. I also don't think it's worth dredging up Cocu anymore in regards to Rooney. His time has come and gone now. And expectations will not be wild and disproportionate next season. Or at least, they won't be from me anyway. Mid-table would be just fine.
But does he deserve this job? Does he deserve it?
Based on his 30+ games in charge so far? No. 
Did he deserve it in the first place? I would say no. But that's come and gone now.
Has he kept his job other than anything other to do with the fact that his name is Wayne Rooney and that we are absolutely skint? I don't think so. If his name was Micheal Tonge he would of been shown the door months ago. Well, let's be honest, he wouldn't have even gotten the job in the first place. 
So where do we go from here?
Let's be brutally honest...95% of the fanbase could vote in any poll anywhere you like and it wouldn't matter a jot. He isn't going anywhere. Not under Mel, and certainly not under any new consortium that he may or may not be courting himself.
So therefore, we sort of have to get behind him, don't we? He is going to be here whether we like it or not. Whether he deserves it or not. I personally can't stomach him, the cult of personality he brings with him, nor can I bare watching this club turning into Wayne Rooney FC, which it has been since the day Mel signed him. I don't want to see him as the manager of this football team. But he is.
So, I guess, in essence, I agree with you. A huge part of my initial problem with his appointment was that it wasn't appropriate to hire a rookie in that season, considering the way it had gone. I think I was proved right on that.
But a new season is a chance for a fresh start. He will get a few months, and that will be more than he deserves.