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Eatonram

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    Eatonram got a reaction from Coconut in Keogh Sacked   
    I think even Keogh must really be aware that he was in part responsible for his situation ie badly injured and unable to do his work. Call it reckless or negligent or stupidity, there would for 99.9% of the working population been at least some consequences to his actions.
     
    Instead he actually profits from it. Contract paid ion full plus additional earnings from 2 other clubs.
     
    I loved Keogh as a player and Captain but this incident is beyond belief.
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Ellafella in El DerbyCo   
    Mel did actually say on Sunday there would be more information from the club very soon including on the ownership issue didn't he?
     
    I assume from that he sort of knows how he intends to take the issue forward.
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Steve How Hard? in Keogh Sacked   
    I think even Keogh must really be aware that he was in part responsible for his situation ie badly injured and unable to do his work. Call it reckless or negligent or stupidity, there would for 99.9% of the working population been at least some consequences to his actions.
     
    Instead he actually profits from it. Contract paid ion full plus additional earnings from 2 other clubs.
     
    I loved Keogh as a player and Captain but this incident is beyond belief.
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    Eatonram got a reaction from DarkFruitsRam7 in Keogh Sacked   
    I think even Keogh must really be aware that he was in part responsible for his situation ie badly injured and unable to do his work. Call it reckless or negligent or stupidity, there would for 99.9% of the working population been at least some consequences to his actions.
     
    Instead he actually profits from it. Contract paid ion full plus additional earnings from 2 other clubs.
     
    I loved Keogh as a player and Captain but this incident is beyond belief.
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    Eatonram got a reaction from ariotofmyown in Keogh Sacked   
    I think even Keogh must really be aware that he was in part responsible for his situation ie badly injured and unable to do his work. Call it reckless or negligent or stupidity, there would for 99.9% of the working population been at least some consequences to his actions.
     
    Instead he actually profits from it. Contract paid ion full plus additional earnings from 2 other clubs.
     
    I loved Keogh as a player and Captain but this incident is beyond belief.
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    Eatonram reacted to RandomAccessMemory in EFL appeal   
    Just spotted this tweet from Alan Nixon, it appears he has a copy of the decision report. I wonder how he has that as they've not released it yet?
    So, it appears it was the second particular, and that ONLY which the EFL won on appeal.
    I don't understand how it can be impermissible to take into account the possible resale value of players when it clearly states in FRS 102, as mentioned in the original decision, that future economic benefits from the intangible asset include use OR disposal?
    From the original report
    So if it wasn't an unreliable pattern for the years under scrutiny, why do we have to use the straight-line method?
    If we don't have to use the straight-line method, given the expected consumption of future economic benefits includes disposal, it shouldn't be impermissible to take into account the resale value, and it being the 'cost model' should make no difference.
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    Eatonram got a reaction from i-Ram in EFL appeal   
    Well you've got me confused. Please fill in the following form, I'm sure it will help us all .
    Things I want to protest against:
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    Things I want the Club to do in response to our/my protest:
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    Thanks in anticipation.
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    Eatonram reacted to The Scarlet Pimpernel in EFL appeal   
    We did it to try and compete at the top where Derby County fans in the main expect us to be. The thought of midtable mediocrity doesn't excite me much. As such I'm not criticising Mel Morris with hindsight. 
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Ken Tram in EFL appeal   
    A view point.
    It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
    Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
    All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
     
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Scott129 in EFL appeal   
    Well you've got me confused. Please fill in the following form, I'm sure it will help us all .
    Things I want to protest against:
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    Things I want the Club to do in response to our/my protest:
    1
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    Thanks in anticipation.
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Mostyn6 in EFL appeal   
    Well you've got me confused. Please fill in the following form, I'm sure it will help us all .
    Things I want to protest against:
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    2
    3
    Things I want the Club to do in response to our/my protest:
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    Thanks in anticipation.
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    Eatonram reacted to Coconut in Keogh Sacked   
    Blunder by the club, blinder by his agent.
    What utter cocks Keogh and his agent are, saw an opportunity to financially benefit from a situation he'd put himself into and went for it.
    Show no remorse, refuse to accept a reasonable punishment, and force someone's hand against you (also forcing a damaging split in the dressing room) all in the aid of being a greedy, reprehensible see you next Tuesday and not facing up to your own actions.
    Pure mercenary twit - none of this 'great servant to DCFC' crap should ever apply to this banker.
    The bloke's dead to me, not that he cares.
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    Eatonram reacted to angieram in Keogh Sacked   
    Interesting that this case has again gone through the EFL's own regulatory systems rather than the standard employment tribunal that serves the rest of us mere mortals. 
    It's like they are a breed apart from the law that governs the rest of us.
    I have had no sympathy for Keogh since he refused to accept a reduction in wages, or at least negotiate something with the club. I still think he let his club down that day by not behaving as a captain should and taking some responsibility for the safety of the younger players and himself. Surely the £24,000 per week he was getting paid conveyed some expectation of maturity with it? 
    So, he's got his full wages plus whatever he's been paid by MK Dons and Huddersfield since. I hope it makes him happy. Not.
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    Eatonram reacted to Mostyn6 in Keogh Sacked   
    Go out, get shitfaced, be complicit in drink- driving, injure yourself, let your team down. It’s not misconduct. 
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    Eatonram reacted to LE_Ram in Keogh Sacked   
    Really don't agree with this. The man's an adult. His own actions rendered him unable to fulfil his contractual obligations to play for Derby, through no fault of the club. He hasn't injured himself in the performance of his duties (i.e., while playing). He went out, got drunk, and got into the back of a car where the driver was drunk. For me, that makes him culpable.
    Any of us lot did the same and rendered us unable to work, I'd expect we'd be sacked on the spot too. 
     
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    Eatonram reacted to G STAR RAM in EFL appeal   
    Youve said that we will get a points deduction which is complete speculation. The matter is being referred back to the DC who initially pretty much ruled most things in our favour. 
    Im not exactly sure what I am fighting for?
    Didnt the club put out a statement after the final match and again today regarding the EFL announcement? What exactly are you wanting them to say?
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Tamworthram in EFL appeal   
    A view point.
    It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
    Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
    All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
     
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Deej in EFL appeal   
    A view point.
    It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
    Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
    All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
     
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    Eatonram got a reaction from StarterForTen in EFL appeal   
    A view point.
    It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
    Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
    All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
     
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    Eatonram got a reaction from angieram in EFL appeal   
    A view point.
    It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
    Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
    All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
     
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    Eatonram got a reaction from Carnero in EFL appeal   
    A view point.
    It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
    Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
    All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
     
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    Eatonram got a reaction from HorsforthRam in EFL appeal   
    A view point.
    It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
    Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
    All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
     
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    Eatonram reacted to TexasRam in EFL appeal   
    I’d take anything now, relegation, points deduction, fine, anything. What we can’t have is another pre season where our hands are tied and we can’t do anything about re-shaping of the squad. If that’s to be the case then next season will be death by a thousand cuts as we’d be all at certainly down and probably down by Christmas. Please just get this and any potential take over done and dusted, let us move on you complete bunch of cockwomble EFL Cnuts...........
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    Eatonram reacted to MackworthRamIsGod in EFL appeal   
    Surely you cant allow your mates dog to crap in your garden and then kick off when you accidentally step in it.
    The EFL signed this off as ok and just because Steve Gibson has kicked off and just because Parry clearly has a vendetta against Mel Morris, the club is wrongly being dragged through the mud.
    This really is so wrong.
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    Eatonram reacted to IslandExile in Derby County Admin / Liquidation   
    I set the poll up but, that aside....
    You are asking us to be proactive.... How? What about? We don't know anything. You claim that you do but won't tell us. So what do you expect us to do?
    Write to Mel? Write to our MP?
    Dear Sirs, I must protest in the strongest possible terms about something I don't know anything about.
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