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That's warneball at a higher level though. The tactical naivety of Warne would be exposed in a similar way, but Wassall at least understood that the players we had available suited a certain way of playing. Heck, he even found a place for Tom Ince that encouraged him to play for the team rather than playing for himself and very few managers (even McClaren) have been able to do that.

You understood my point😁

Interesting, theoretically. If we were 3-0 up after 82 mins but made a few substitutions and ended up drawing a match 3-3, did not scoring 4 cost us the result or was it the impact of poor substitutions?

Well yes, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. If a team is coached with an emphasis on getting it wide rather than playing through the middle then they'll not learn to overcome teams to try to 'strangle' them, and struggle to do so when a team does that. The excuse earlier in the season (Cheltenham) was that they'd outnumber us there, but now we're playing 3 in midfield with the addition of Adams that excuse goes away. We've had the ability to play with 3 midfielders most of the season and chosen not to, you can't simply expect everything to work out perfectly when changing to a 3 when it hasn't been practiced extensively and the team have been taught to almost fear playing that way. And that's what I saw yesterday, the theory was good but the execution was poor because it looked unpractised.

Good idea tbf. Whenever Warne actually does something that addresses the concerns and complaints raised on here we seem to improve, and when he reverts to type things start to go wrong. Producing a little guidebook for him to reference could be a masterstroke.

Bird's playing very well and will be a real asset next season.

Yes, and they're still our best and/or most effective players. I actually thought our starting lineup today was pretty promising as it was as close to a WarneXI as we could put out considering who was fit enough to start, aside from Elder in for Sibley, Bradley in for the would-be-gone Cashin and Washington in alongside Collins (but then where do NML and CBT go? ...and yet we still had to change it because it looked poor and unrehearsed.

Except the one which doesn't count because despite being in charge 6 months he wasn't officially their permanent manager until the next season.

It did after Stevenage away ..

That's the result of playing it from back to front too quickly with players not able/quick enough to get themselves back onside after pressing and ending up behind opposition defenders.

This. It must be wonderful being an away supporter this season, but those of us who only get to go to fome games are 'treated' to some honkingly poor football not backed up by results befitting of a team in our position.

We're just not very well organised, are we? Players often still don't seem to fully understand their roles and we lack cohesion as a result, and when we make subs nobody ever really seems to come onto the pitch fully 'switched on' making us vulnerable until things settle down.

It's all starting to make sense now. "Stephen Pearce talks for the first time" It's no wonder he couldn't oppose Mad Mel's plans given he's lived his life mute up until this point.

Well, something vaguely resembling it.

Respectful of others' opinons as ever. I sense you're closer to the clouds than I am, tbh

I didn't say comments don't exist or that you're 'pulling random crap' from Twitter. The point is you're making it sound like "the signings are crap", "the team is crap" & "we should be walking this league" are all coming from the same source, and that they're mutually exclusive. As I said above, the league IS poor this season, we don't need to be much above average to get out of it, and this is reflected in our league position being so high despite faltering performances where we have that little bit of extra quality over others to see us through. That's not me saying we should be walking it, that the squad is rubbish or that Warne is a disaster in the transfer market, it's just a fair reflection on what we've seen this season. People who solely attend home games have had a bit of a raw deal this season, and seen us at out least inspiring (as the atmosphere will attest to) whereas those who've been to most of our away games have probably had a great time, and will be more willing to overlook those home performances. And yeah I know you're not on here much, which is a shame, not only because you've always put out strong & sensible posts but because by only reading half the posts you're only getting half the story. There was a thread title out there the other day something like "does Warne deserve the VITRIOL aimed at him", which didn't really reflect the content of what was being posted by 95% of people, but if you've not actually read the forum in the lead-up to it you have no way of knowing whether the mood of the forum was vitriolic or otherwise (it wasn't).

You're conflating a number of different issues there. If anything the people who 'view the world of Derby County under dark clouds', IMO, are those who constantly bring up the restrictions, talk of shopping in the bargain basement, harp on reminding people we were in administration 2 years ago, say things like "we're a League One club with League One standard players" (or even making out people would laugh at how average our squad is) and use other teams' failures as reason we shouldn't expect success ourselves, even though every club is approaching the season from a different perspective and with their own challenges to face. It's those who treat ambition as arrogance and entitlement. The work we put in behind the scenes immediately following coming out of admin, and the squad we assembled in that short time (plus our 'leftovers' Bird & Cashin who are very clearly Championship quality players) have put us in a better stead to go at a quick return to the Championship than many other teams, regardless of what they themselves do. The fact that we managed to secure a manager with Warne's record speaks volumes, but he does need to live up to the hype he was imbued with upon his appointment. Currently the results are doing that, but it's not a particularly convincing watch. Peeple 'demanding promotion' (who exactly is demanding promotion?) would be doing so because they can see that we are, or we should be, capable of it. People react to bad results because they fear we might mess the chance of promotion up - and a chance as good as this season is unlikely to present itself again anytime soon. It's a s*** league, and we don't have to be much above average to get out of it. As for the team and the signings being crap, I don't believe anyone actually thinks or has said that individually any of Warne's signings are 'crap' players (if anything, the players who've had the most individual criticism have been Hourihane, Bird & Collins), but even so you don't have to be a crap player to be a poor signing, just as you don't need to be an outstanding player to be an excellent signing. It's all about the blend of the team, but our over-reliance on one or two players pulling something out of the bag for us has been evident all season, and until the signing of Adams we haven't really come close to getting that balance right, despite the results. Quite frankly anyone who thinks we have a crap squad is talking out of their arse, even some of our, ahem, 'less glorified' players have certain qualities which are fit for the league above even if their general play and/or age prohibits them from playing there regularely. We have a great amount of experience running through the squad which may be the reason we're not choking (and hopefully don't go on to chopke) in the same manner that others are. It's all sunny from my perspective - aside from not rating the manager! (in terms of long term suitability)

just a reminder that it could always be worse A-woo-woo-woo-woo

He set up their two best chances and put in the ball that lead to their equaliser. No service to him as Leeds have been pretty dominant most of the game.

Fornah was a poorly researched purchase, who we only wanted on loan initially, and was signed without any clear evidence of an understanding of what his abilites are or how to fit him into the team. As I said on the Adams thread, I'm glad we've rectified the mistake (to a degree, because we still have Fornah taking up a wage) but it shouldn't have been made in the first place. If we wanted him to offer the same attributes and impact as we got from Adams it might have helped if we actually played him in the same system a bit? Rather than shoving him in as the more advanced mifielder in a two in front of Korey Smith. He made his debut on 26th August but it wasn't until 8 games later he featured in the same midfield as Hourihane & Bird, and he's only had 272 minutes (182 in the league) across 5 games on the pitch at the same time as them since. 4 wins 1 draw Notts County 2-1 Derby 90 mins Derby 2-1 Bristol R 12 mins Port Vale 0-1 Derby 89 mins Derby 1-1 Wycombe 15 mins Derby 3-1 Lincoln 66 mins The way it's being twisted toward being Fornah's fault is a bit odd IMO

If we're shopping in the bargain basement then most of our competitors must be shopping at the landfill.

A physical print-out of all the Warne Out threads.

tbf, we've just nabbed their most dangerous player off them for a measly fee and then not even bothered to play him against them, and they've just signed a load of players seemingly at random who'll need (apparently) a few months to settle, signings not even chosen by the manager who's had about a day to come in and analyse the whole mess, all while on a 13 game winless run, so they've got a fair few excuses for being a bit s***. It does always amaze me how much people big up other teams squads while making out ours is average.

Confirmed that he was never going to play today, so your tinfoil hat was correctly worn!

Not "all" of us are off our tits on LSD every time we post, tbf.