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The death toll from 2008-2023 seems to be roughly 20 Palestinians killed for every 1 Israeli. We'll be reaching that ratio again in this recent outburst of violence in a couple of weeks if the bombing continues.  It seems a very odd thing to overlook when making an assessment of the crimes of both sides. There can be no doubt about which side has more blood on their hands. 
 

I’m 77 and have had three knee replacements (no I haven’t got three knees) so there’s no way I could stand for a whole match

Saying “I just prefer standing at a football match” is a real red flag for me. Sit down, my knees hurt 

Turns twitter into a business that advertisers won't condone. Realises isolating his business from the people who will fund it could kill his company. Doubles down anyway. Hmm... Genius. 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67574396
In a profanity-laced outburst, Elon Musk has slammed advertisers that have left X, warning they will kill the social media platform.
"Go [expletive] yourself," the billionaire said in an interview.
"I don't want them to advertise," Mr Musk said at the New York Times' DealBook Summit.
"If someone is going to blackmail me with advertising or money go [expletive] yourself" 

I think this is why there's an argument that the terms 'terrorism' and 'terrorist' have lost their value and are used more often to kind of support a narrative. This isn't about to be some defence of Hamas by the way. 
There are many cases of attacks on military targets we label terrorism and then attacks on civilian infrastructure that are considered collateral damage. I'm not sure how you measure it. 
I'm genuinely asking, if you take into account some of the comments from Israeli government and look at the pattern of attacks on Gaza could that be considered terrorism (an unlawful use of violence in pursuit of political aims)? Because we have to consider that Hamas are hidden in a densely populated area. 
And then we have the actions in West Bank which imo are more controversial
I would call Hamas terrorists all day long by the way. All day every day. 
Expand this and as mentioned... Hiroshima? The Napalm Strikes and Agent Green in Vietnam? Dresden? The drone strikes in Afghanistan/Iraq? The Russian bombardment of Ukrainian Cities? Where's the line and who decides? In your opinion what would you say?

If he'd killed 15,000 people, largely civilians, I'd call him a murderer. 

If he'd killed 15,000 people, largely civilians, I'd call him a murderer. 

I mean by definition we all feel that our own views, or those that agree with our opinions, are the correct and balanced ones. That's why those are our views in the first place.  From my perspective you've got two feet planted firmly in the Israeli camp. But again, that's just my perspective, it might be me that's the biased one.  

Thank you @Lander Love them so much. Just hoping they’ll got over the 25 layers of clothes I’ll be wearing today 🤣

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Rapidly unplanned disassembles. 

Ok. Nice posts about the pretty rockets from now on, by weight of popular opinion. 

Yeah, sorry mod, my only excuse is a high fever
Fascinating discussion, do carry on

I would call it genocide. One of the strongest military states in the world killing civilians by the thousands. That's not warfare Leeds.

That's how i read it!!!

Or the owner was given a suspended sentence after he had been shot dead. Makes a change from their usual spelling mistakes. 

Right. So, the police shot a dog owner, and were given a suspended sentence for shooting a man? 
Good grammar from the Grauniad. 

Right. So, the police shot a dog owner, and were given a suspended sentence for shooting a man? 
Good grammar from the Grauniad. 

Certainly in his post lockdown period.
 
Couldn't we just give him the freedom of bubbles?

It is, if you are not a Palestinian. Especially one of those that was born there but never allowed to return to the country of their birth by the 'democratic' state of Israel. 
It's interesting to speculate what the situation in the Middle East would look like now if Iran had been allowed to keep it's nascent democracy in the 1950s, rather than having the US and UK destroy it, and replace it with a pliant, if brutal, dictator. I guess that's something we will never know. 
It seems to me that the Hamas attack was intended to prolong the war with Israel and prevent peace at all costs. A twisted and immoral strategy no doubt, but the overwhelming response from the IDF is probably exactly what they hoped for. 

Dead ringer for his avatar, I reckon. The Derby Kung Fu Panda. 

Love my shirt @Lander. Thanks so much x