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    GboroRam reacted to TigerTedd in 20/21 Notts Bottlers Thread   
    If???
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    GboroRam reacted to Albert in Coronavirus   
    Excellent retort to the point. I know you're making a play on my response to your blunder with that article before, but anyone who bothered to read it, yourself included, would see pretty quickly that yes, it refutes your claim in multiple ways. 
    ...you've had this all explained to you already, and yet you persist with this line of reasoning. 'Assuming the number of deaths remain low', we're still getting over 500 deaths per day. It's not low in the slightest yet. This is the problem with your little fantasy argument here, the deaths aren't low yet. 
    What I was arguing was that reopening should be done in a controlled manner with an eye on that R number, you seem to agree at some level, but don't want to admit it on those terms. 
    I'm not sure if the issue is that you don't bother reading sources you post, or if you think simply linking things shapes them to your argument. Your current choice of source demonstrates that 50k deaths in a year from flu and pneumonia is not normal in the UK, and no year has been over 25k in the last two decades. 
    The great irony is that you're using this an attempt to make it seem like people accept the numbers of deaths from the flu and pneumonia, but the reason for those drops is that people didn't. In effect, you've destroyed one of the pillars of your own argument, twice, with your choices of sources, yet don't seem to have the self-awareness to realise it. 
    Reopening has been a sliding scale in countries with a competent response. It's not just 'oh look, under 1, throw the doors open', but rather, a step by step process assuring that things don't get out of hand. The UK should follow the same, particularly given the rise of variants with the potential to render the vaccine less effective. 
    The issue here is that while the sample size is large, the claim is 100% effective. We cannot evaluate that claim directly with that amount of data, as determining the uncertainty from it would require that there actually was a serious case or death. Let's say that the actual chance of serious illness is 1 in 20k with the sample size of 20k. The probability that nobody in this sample got seriously ill would be around 37%, which is still quite likely. 1 in 20k doesn't sound like a lot, but the UK was at one point getting ~70k new cases per day, even with restrictions. Opening up on the assumption such protection is enough would lead to 3-4 seriously ill patients per day on those figures, which doesn't sound like a lot, but would represent over 1200 per year. That's the sample without taking into account the subset of the vulnerable that cannot be taken into account, which is the key worry. 
    That said, 1200 per year when compared to flu and pneumonia deaths most years would actually represent a small number, unlike what Covid had shown before. The other concern with it all those is the question of whether allowing the disease spread with less severe symptoms would lead to further variants, particularly given we know some aren't impacted as much by the vaccine. That, in effect, is why keeping the reproduction number below 1 is so key in all of this. If the vaccines are effective, it'll happen without much issue and the reopening will happen quite rapidly. Doing so in that manner, however, provides a safeguard in case things don't go so well. 
    It's interesting to me that the very people who were throwing cold water on the prospect of a vaccine only a few months ago, on virtually the same data we have now, are the same ones who are so keen to throw all their faith behind it, without those very same questions being answered. It's almost as though there exist some on here that are just arguing to demand the restrictions end, and don't actually care about the impacts on lives and livelihoods as long as that happens. 
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    GboroRam reacted to Eddie in Coronavirus   
    And still the 'flu comparisons come out in this asylum of a thread.
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    GboroRam reacted to RamNut in Hoofball   
    I have learned to appreciate what Brian clough was talking about when he said he was an idealist, and “believed in fairies at the bottom of the garden”. It was his strange way of saying that he believed you can win by playing football the right way. On the ground with purpose and crisp passing. Etc etc. 
    that’s the football I grew up watching. I’m really not that interested in hoof ball or backwards passing or all the other perverse variants. I also don’t believe you can tell a team to play this way one way this week, and another way next week, etc etc. The players need to settle into a group, a shape, and a way of playing. They need to get into - what Peter Taylor called - good habits. 
    we have too much twaddle coming from the sidelines. Too many folk trying to justify their existence by dreaming up different strategies for every game. You may achieve short term success with that, but at the cost of developing the team and the players. By all means rotate the squad when we need to rest someone or we have fatigue or injuries but stick to the plan.
    It’s not rocket science.
     
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    GboroRam reacted to StrawHillRam in Watford v Derby, Friday 19th February   
    Or change the channel. You’re watching the 1970 World Cup rerun 
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    GboroRam got a reaction from Archied in Coronavirus   
    Don't forget there is a group of people who for whatever reason can't get the vaccine. For example people with immune system problems. The reason why herd immunity is important is for those people who for one reason or another can't take the vaccine. 
    For the record I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccination. I don't care if people need a jab before they travel, that's nothing new and is the standard for a number of countries and a number of vaccinations. What we need to do is have an open discussion with the public in general about what vaccines are and how they work; be honest about their safety (that's not a guarantee it's safe - some people will be ill from a vaccination, but fleetingly small numbers) and talk science to educate those people who listen to pseudoscience that calls out incorrectly that vaccines are inherently dangerous.
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    GboroRam reacted to Angry Ram in Watford v Derby, Friday 19th February   
    Horror on Sky. 
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    GboroRam reacted to Tyler Durden in Lou Macari Helping The Homeless   
    Yes was just waiting to get to the bit in the article when Chris Eubank discusses Youth Hostels. 
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    GboroRam got a reaction from Stive Pesley in Coronavirus   
    Don't forget there is a group of people who for whatever reason can't get the vaccine. For example people with immune system problems. The reason why herd immunity is important is for those people who for one reason or another can't take the vaccine. 
    For the record I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccination. I don't care if people need a jab before they travel, that's nothing new and is the standard for a number of countries and a number of vaccinations. What we need to do is have an open discussion with the public in general about what vaccines are and how they work; be honest about their safety (that's not a guarantee it's safe - some people will be ill from a vaccination, but fleetingly small numbers) and talk science to educate those people who listen to pseudoscience that calls out incorrectly that vaccines are inherently dangerous.
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    GboroRam got a reaction from BIllyD in Coronavirus   
    Don't forget there is a group of people who for whatever reason can't get the vaccine. For example people with immune system problems. The reason why herd immunity is important is for those people who for one reason or another can't take the vaccine. 
    For the record I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccination. I don't care if people need a jab before they travel, that's nothing new and is the standard for a number of countries and a number of vaccinations. What we need to do is have an open discussion with the public in general about what vaccines are and how they work; be honest about their safety (that's not a guarantee it's safe - some people will be ill from a vaccination, but fleetingly small numbers) and talk science to educate those people who listen to pseudoscience that calls out incorrectly that vaccines are inherently dangerous.
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    GboroRam reacted to DarkFruitsRam7 in Coronavirus   
    Just caught something on the radio about sending excess vaccines to developing countries and urging others to do the same? If so, fair play.
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    GboroRam reacted to Eddie in Coronavirus   
    It's all about ethics. It boils down to this conundrum...

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    GboroRam reacted to Eddie in Coronavirus   
    Says Mister "I've heard enough from experts". 
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    GboroRam reacted to Anag Ram in Rooney's shiner?   
    Colleen found Werthers Originals in his car.
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    GboroRam got a reaction from David in A helicopter on Mars!   
    It's the same quality as all the bank robbery footage you see on crimewatch. 
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    GboroRam reacted to BIllyD in Coronavirus   
    Someone hacked your account 🤣
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    GboroRam reacted to sage in Coronavirus   
    Had the vaccine last night. All very well organised. It didn't hurt.
    I feel well today with no side effects. My arm feels slightly sore, but nothing to speak of.
    If you get offered it, please take it.
    Keep you and others safe.
     
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    GboroRam reacted to i-Ram in Happy Birthday David   
    Fingers crossed someone buys you some new specs.
     

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    GboroRam reacted to BIllyD in Coronavirus   
    Each to their own, I wasn't even commenting on the content, more around the post stating I'm not having a go but really I am.
    If it makes you happy to rant and rave about something then that's your prerogative, the poster didn't make the rules, he isn't breaking any laws, but if it makes you feel better for doing so then fire away. Personally I don't see the connection between someone, for example going to a shop without a mask on just to cause a scene and someone having an extension built or buying beer from another country, but hey ho that probably makes me a hypocrite as well.
     
    Similarly if you think everyone who is working from home has benefitted from the lockdown and hasn't had it as hard as others and you think they are selfish, off you go, rant away, personally I find the idea laughable, but it thats what you feel, go for it. I'm more than happy to take anything coming my way, won't lose any sleep over it 😀
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    GboroRam got a reaction from Stive Pesley in Coronavirus   
    I had a builder like that once.
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    GboroRam reacted to BIllyD in Coronavirus   
    So you not having a go at him, but you are having a go at him 🤣
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    GboroRam got a reaction from Highgate in Hoofball   
    For those people who are saying "grind out results" and "you need to play this style to win these types of games".
    What if that own goal hadn't gone in?
    What if the offside hadn't been wrongly given?
    What if Wisdom didn't get it on target?
    We were very lucky yesterday. That performance was right up there with a Phil Brown game, and we all know it. We could easily have come away with a defeat. What would you be saying if we'd been turned over by Wycombe after that performance.
    Thankfully our manager isn't sugar coating it, and he knows that those kind of performances won't keep us up long term. Absolutely poohoused it last night, as we should have walked away with nothing. 
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    GboroRam reacted to uttoxram75 in Premier Inn London Wembley Park hotel   
    Book a family room for the mods.
    I'll top and tail with Boycie.
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