brady1993

I can understand the sentiment of people saying it's only 2 games and he needs more time but that somewhat does right off the rest of his time here. The thing for me is that the more time that passes the more evidence stacks up in favor of niggling worries about his potential limitations and that some of his perceived strengths might not be present.
When he joined on the one hand you had his success at Rotherham, a seemingly good record at man management, experience in the division and that he would be able to build a young athletic team. On the other hand there were concerns over his style of play, his results in the Championship, whether he would be able to convert success from Rotherham and whether he head the necessary coaching ability in his staff.
He inherited a good squad and a 7th place finish was below par. Nothing awful but a finish were I think it was fair to ask questions. The bigger concerns for me though were less about the table. Tactically he looked limited, inflexible and like he had a naive view of the game. Coaching of players appeared to go backwards over the season who in a few cases looked rustier and more bereft of what to do as the season developed. And his management of player fitness levels was atrocious likely leading to unnecessary injuries. All of these factors played into the the poor results against decent teams. Frankly we were flat track bullies at best.
All of those issues have been front and centre in these first two games. So mix that with an uninspiring pre-season attaining players who won't likely kick on going into the championship and not really solving issues in the squad and mix in the interview from the other day. Its easy to feel less than enthusiastic about him as manager. 
At this point we've got enough evidence at his strengths and weaknesses and I don't think he's the right person going forwards. I think he could get us promoted eventually but I think in the process of it we will be set back quite significantly in our overall development and i think it will take a long time. Essentially I think it would cost a lot of the young talent at the club and we'd end up with a squad of aging journeymen. A squad in which we would find ourselves probably struggling to stay in the Championship especially given the lack of tactical and coaching acumen currently on display.
I said last year a view I'll reiterate. We need to look at things on the long term. We need to think how do we develop the club overall for sustainable success. How do we produce/acquire cheaply talent  and develop them so we aren't stuck at the whims of high fee spending to progress. How do we develop an identity and footballing ethos that allows the collective club to produce more than the sum of its parts. 
If you look at my previous posts i think its evident im not trigger happy. But at certain point you've got to cut your losses. The evidence points to Warne not fitting the remit and if finances allow I think it's time to move on in the hopes that we can retain the likes of Bird and salvage the rest of the rest of the transfer window.

I can understand the sentiment of people saying it's only 2 games and he needs more time but that somewhat does right off the rest of his time here. The thing for me is that the more time that passes the more evidence stacks up in favor of niggling worries about his potential limitations and that some of his perceived strengths might not be present.
When he joined on the one hand you had his success at Rotherham, a seemingly good record at man management, experience in the division and that he would be able to build a young athletic team. On the other hand there were concerns over his style of play, his results in the Championship, whether he would be able to convert success from Rotherham and whether he head the necessary coaching ability in his staff.
He inherited a good squad and a 7th place finish was below par. Nothing awful but a finish were I think it was fair to ask questions. The bigger concerns for me though were less about the table. Tactically he looked limited, inflexible and like he had a naive view of the game. Coaching of players appeared to go backwards over the season who in a few cases looked rustier and more bereft of what to do as the season developed. And his management of player fitness levels was atrocious likely leading to unnecessary injuries. All of these factors played into the the poor results against decent teams. Frankly we were flat track bullies at best.
All of those issues have been front and centre in these first two games. So mix that with an uninspiring pre-season attaining players who won't likely kick on going into the championship and not really solving issues in the squad and mix in the interview from the other day. Its easy to feel less than enthusiastic about him as manager. 
At this point we've got enough evidence at his strengths and weaknesses and I don't think he's the right person going forwards. I think he could get us promoted eventually but I think in the process of it we will be set back quite significantly in our overall development and i think it will take a long time. Essentially I think it would cost a lot of the young talent at the club and we'd end up with a squad of aging journeymen. A squad in which we would find ourselves probably struggling to stay in the Championship especially given the lack of tactical and coaching acumen currently on display.
I said last year a view I'll reiterate. We need to look at things on the long term. We need to think how do we develop the club overall for sustainable success. How do we produce/acquire cheaply talent  and develop them so we aren't stuck at the whims of high fee spending to progress. How do we develop an identity and footballing ethos that allows the collective club to produce more than the sum of its parts. 
If you look at my previous posts i think its evident im not trigger happy. But at certain point you've got to cut your losses. The evidence points to Warne not fitting the remit and if finances allow I think it's time to move on in the hopes that we can retain the likes of Bird and salvage the rest of the rest of the transfer window.

I can understand the sentiment of people saying it's only 2 games and he needs more time but that somewhat does right off the rest of his time here. The thing for me is that the more time that passes the more evidence stacks up in favor of niggling worries about his potential limitations and that some of his perceived strengths might not be present.
When he joined on the one hand you had his success at Rotherham, a seemingly good record at man management, experience in the division and that he would be able to build a young athletic team. On the other hand there were concerns over his style of play, his results in the Championship, whether he would be able to convert success from Rotherham and whether he head the necessary coaching ability in his staff.
He inherited a good squad and a 7th place finish was below par. Nothing awful but a finish were I think it was fair to ask questions. The bigger concerns for me though were less about the table. Tactically he looked limited, inflexible and like he had a naive view of the game. Coaching of players appeared to go backwards over the season who in a few cases looked rustier and more bereft of what to do as the season developed. And his management of player fitness levels was atrocious likely leading to unnecessary injuries. All of these factors played into the the poor results against decent teams. Frankly we were flat track bullies at best.
All of those issues have been front and centre in these first two games. So mix that with an uninspiring pre-season attaining players who won't likely kick on going into the championship and not really solving issues in the squad and mix in the interview from the other day. Its easy to feel less than enthusiastic about him as manager. 
At this point we've got enough evidence at his strengths and weaknesses and I don't think he's the right person going forwards. I think he could get us promoted eventually but I think in the process of it we will be set back quite significantly in our overall development and i think it will take a long time. Essentially I think it would cost a lot of the young talent at the club and we'd end up with a squad of aging journeymen. A squad in which we would find ourselves probably struggling to stay in the Championship especially given the lack of tactical and coaching acumen currently on display.
I said last year a view I'll reiterate. We need to look at things on the long term. We need to think how do we develop the club overall for sustainable success. How do we produce/acquire cheaply talent  and develop them so we aren't stuck at the whims of high fee spending to progress. How do we develop an identity and footballing ethos that allows the collective club to produce more than the sum of its parts. 
If you look at my previous posts i think its evident im not trigger happy. But at certain point you've got to cut your losses. The evidence points to Warne not fitting the remit and if finances allow I think it's time to move on in the hopes that we can retain the likes of Bird and salvage the rest of the rest of the transfer window.

I can understand the sentiment of people saying it's only 2 games and he needs more time but that somewhat does right off the rest of his time here. The thing for me is that the more time that passes the more evidence stacks up in favor of niggling worries about his potential limitations and that some of his perceived strengths might not be present.
When he joined on the one hand you had his success at Rotherham, a seemingly good record at man management, experience in the division and that he would be able to build a young athletic team. On the other hand there were concerns over his style of play, his results in the Championship, whether he would be able to convert success from Rotherham and whether he head the necessary coaching ability in his staff.
He inherited a good squad and a 7th place finish was below par. Nothing awful but a finish were I think it was fair to ask questions. The bigger concerns for me though were less about the table. Tactically he looked limited, inflexible and like he had a naive view of the game. Coaching of players appeared to go backwards over the season who in a few cases looked rustier and more bereft of what to do as the season developed. And his management of player fitness levels was atrocious likely leading to unnecessary injuries. All of these factors played into the the poor results against decent teams. Frankly we were flat track bullies at best.
All of those issues have been front and centre in these first two games. So mix that with an uninspiring pre-season attaining players who won't likely kick on going into the championship and not really solving issues in the squad and mix in the interview from the other day. Its easy to feel less than enthusiastic about him as manager. 
At this point we've got enough evidence at his strengths and weaknesses and I don't think he's the right person going forwards. I think he could get us promoted eventually but I think in the process of it we will be set back quite significantly in our overall development and i think it will take a long time. Essentially I think it would cost a lot of the young talent at the club and we'd end up with a squad of aging journeymen. A squad in which we would find ourselves probably struggling to stay in the Championship especially given the lack of tactical and coaching acumen currently on display.
I said last year a view I'll reiterate. We need to look at things on the long term. We need to think how do we develop the club overall for sustainable success. How do we produce/acquire cheaply talent  and develop them so we aren't stuck at the whims of high fee spending to progress. How do we develop an identity and footballing ethos that allows the collective club to produce more than the sum of its parts. 
If you look at my previous posts i think its evident im not trigger happy. But at certain point you've got to cut your losses. The evidence points to Warne not fitting the remit and if finances allow I think it's time to move on in the hopes that we can retain the likes of Bird and salvage the rest of the rest of the transfer window.

I can understand the sentiment of people saying it's only 2 games and he needs more time but that somewhat does right off the rest of his time here. The thing for me is that the more time that passes the more evidence stacks up in favor of niggling worries about his potential limitations and that some of his perceived strengths might not be present.
When he joined on the one hand you had his success at Rotherham, a seemingly good record at man management, experience in the division and that he would be able to build a young athletic team. On the other hand there were concerns over his style of play, his results in the Championship, whether he would be able to convert success from Rotherham and whether he head the necessary coaching ability in his staff.
He inherited a good squad and a 7th place finish was below par. Nothing awful but a finish were I think it was fair to ask questions. The bigger concerns for me though were less about the table. Tactically he looked limited, inflexible and like he had a naive view of the game. Coaching of players appeared to go backwards over the season who in a few cases looked rustier and more bereft of what to do as the season developed. And his management of player fitness levels was atrocious likely leading to unnecessary injuries. All of these factors played into the the poor results against decent teams. Frankly we were flat track bullies at best.
All of those issues have been front and centre in these first two games. So mix that with an uninspiring pre-season attaining players who won't likely kick on going into the championship and not really solving issues in the squad and mix in the interview from the other day. Its easy to feel less than enthusiastic about him as manager. 
At this point we've got enough evidence at his strengths and weaknesses and I don't think he's the right person going forwards. I think he could get us promoted eventually but I think in the process of it we will be set back quite significantly in our overall development and i think it will take a long time. Essentially I think it would cost a lot of the young talent at the club and we'd end up with a squad of aging journeymen. A squad in which we would find ourselves probably struggling to stay in the Championship especially given the lack of tactical and coaching acumen currently on display.
I said last year a view I'll reiterate. We need to look at things on the long term. We need to think how do we develop the club overall for sustainable success. How do we produce/acquire cheaply talent  and develop them so we aren't stuck at the whims of high fee spending to progress. How do we develop an identity and footballing ethos that allows the collective club to produce more than the sum of its parts. 
If you look at my previous posts i think its evident im not trigger happy. But at certain point you've got to cut your losses. The evidence points to Warne not fitting the remit and if finances allow I think it's time to move on in the hopes that we can retain the likes of Bird and salvage the rest of the rest of the transfer window.

From my side its a mix of things coming together. The big ones being time, ability to watch games, being more wary over time on my phone and how it effects me mentally, moving to Australia, complex feelings over the club's direction and waning interest in paying attention.
On the football side of things I've been hesitant to chime in because I'm often catching up on games quite a bit after or not at all. And even then I feel like last season I'd have been repeating myself over and over, it just gets tiring to do it after a while. I just don't feel I have much interesting to add to a discussion that quite frankly I feel there often isn't much to discuss. 
I do feel like Warne is tactically naive, demonstrates a lack of appreciation for the game's complexity, doesn't seem to have the best technical coaching and isn't the best long term move. I do feel like he will end up effectively wasting a generation of really gifted academy players by turning us into a functional outfit. And I do feel like he underachieved last season and his position should be in question. 
But he's not going anywhere. He knows the type of players he wants to get to play the way he wants and that will almost be certainly good enough for this division  with his motivation skills and the club's resources. 
I think most people see some close variation on that and it mostly comes down to how each fan feels about the following as to how they come down on things:
Functional vs attractive football?
Possession vs kick n rush football?
Warnes skill at league 1 vs warne's ability to manage beyond that?
Are the academy players worth focusing around?
Success now vs more sustainable growth down the line ? 
I feel like if I know a fan's answer to those questions there isn't much for me to debate them over. It just becomes the same conversation over and over.
A lot of what interests in me in talking about football and Derby in general is direction and tactical stuff (or things adjacent to it like selection). The direction is pretty clear to me and it goes against what I personally would like to see and the tactics are pretty basic so there just isn't much to delve into.
To be clear I'm still a fan, I still want to see derby do well and I hope I'm wrong about Warne and wish him well. He seems a good person and I believe he's doing what he thinks is right be the club and because of that I don't like harping on him too too much. It's more I'm happy to take a more a distant following for now and I've often had periods like this since joining this forum.
 
 
 
 

From my side its a mix of things coming together. The big ones being time, ability to watch games, being more wary over time on my phone and how it effects me mentally, moving to Australia, complex feelings over the club's direction and waning interest in paying attention.
On the football side of things I've been hesitant to chime in because I'm often catching up on games quite a bit after or not at all. And even then I feel like last season I'd have been repeating myself over and over, it just gets tiring to do it after a while. I just don't feel I have much interesting to add to a discussion that quite frankly I feel there often isn't much to discuss. 
I do feel like Warne is tactically naive, demonstrates a lack of appreciation for the game's complexity, doesn't seem to have the best technical coaching and isn't the best long term move. I do feel like he will end up effectively wasting a generation of really gifted academy players by turning us into a functional outfit. And I do feel like he underachieved last season and his position should be in question. 
But he's not going anywhere. He knows the type of players he wants to get to play the way he wants and that will almost be certainly good enough for this division  with his motivation skills and the club's resources. 
I think most people see some close variation on that and it mostly comes down to how each fan feels about the following as to how they come down on things:
Functional vs attractive football?
Possession vs kick n rush football?
Warnes skill at league 1 vs warne's ability to manage beyond that?
Are the academy players worth focusing around?
Success now vs more sustainable growth down the line ? 
I feel like if I know a fan's answer to those questions there isn't much for me to debate them over. It just becomes the same conversation over and over.
A lot of what interests in me in talking about football and Derby in general is direction and tactical stuff (or things adjacent to it like selection). The direction is pretty clear to me and it goes against what I personally would like to see and the tactics are pretty basic so there just isn't much to delve into.
To be clear I'm still a fan, I still want to see derby do well and I hope I'm wrong about Warne and wish him well. He seems a good person and I believe he's doing what he thinks is right be the club and because of that I don't like harping on him too too much. It's more I'm happy to take a more a distant following for now and I've often had periods like this since joining this forum.
 
 
 
 

I think there is a couple minor differences like; Pearson never really seemed to know what he actually needed to get what he wanted to work, Warne has inherited a stronger squad relative to the league and he's taking his time a bit more. 
But the biggest biggest difference is one of them is a really good man manager and the other well.... was Pearson. And whilst that can go a long way in general its critical if you are trying to overhaul a side from a style point of view.

I think there is a couple minor differences like; Pearson never really seemed to know what he actually needed to get what he wanted to work, Warne has inherited a stronger squad relative to the league and he's taking his time a bit more. 
But the biggest biggest difference is one of them is a really good man manager and the other well.... was Pearson. And whilst that can go a long way in general its critical if you are trying to overhaul a side from a style point of view.

I think there is a couple minor differences like; Pearson never really seemed to know what he actually needed to get what he wanted to work, Warne has inherited a stronger squad relative to the league and he's taking his time a bit more. 
But the biggest biggest difference is one of them is a really good man manager and the other well.... was Pearson. And whilst that can go a long way in general its critical if you are trying to overhaul a side from a style point of view.

Hourihane feels the most surprising. 
But the cheesy answer is that first raft of signings and new contracts a couple days after Clowes took over were critical. It sent out the message that we'd stabilised, that players are safe to come to us and that the players we have here aren't for sale for peanuts.

Hourihane feels the most surprising. 
But the cheesy answer is that first raft of signings and new contracts a couple days after Clowes took over were critical. It sent out the message that we'd stabilised, that players are safe to come to us and that the players we have here aren't for sale for peanuts.

Not going to lie struggling to see how to fit those 11 players into something cohesive.

Best I think I can manage is

Smith Cashin Forsyth Roberts
           Bird Hourihane
NML       McGoldrick   Dobbin 
               Collins
 
Maybe Roberts and Forsyth the other way round.
Weirdly on paper this gets back close to what Rosenior's preferred line up was (outside of injuries at centre back). 
Doesn't send a great message to Stearman though if we are playing a back 4, he's not my favourite player but I'd thought he'd play if we play a back 4.

Classic Sibley life cycle.
1) Does well one game. 
2) A little off it the next.
3) Out of position the game after.
4) Dropped.
 
It's good to see it stretched to three games because normally steps 2 and 3 are one and the same.

Not going to lie struggling to see how to fit those 11 players into something cohesive.

Best I think I can manage is

Smith Cashin Forsyth Roberts
           Bird Hourihane
NML       McGoldrick   Dobbin 
               Collins
 
Maybe Roberts and Forsyth the other way round.
Weirdly on paper this gets back close to what Rosenior's preferred line up was (outside of injuries at centre back). 
Doesn't send a great message to Stearman though if we are playing a back 4, he's not my favourite player but I'd thought he'd play if we play a back 4.

Classic Sibley life cycle.
1) Does well one game. 
2) A little off it the next.
3) Out of position the game after.
4) Dropped.
 
It's good to see it stretched to three games because normally steps 2 and 3 are one and the same.

Classic Sibley life cycle.
1) Does well one game. 
2) A little off it the next.
3) Out of position the game after.
4) Dropped.
 
It's good to see it stretched to three games because normally steps 2 and 3 are one and the same.

Classic Sibley life cycle.
1) Does well one game. 
2) A little off it the next.
3) Out of position the game after.
4) Dropped.
 
It's good to see it stretched to three games because normally steps 2 and 3 are one and the same.

Classic Sibley life cycle.
1) Does well one game. 
2) A little off it the next.
3) Out of position the game after.
4) Dropped.
 
It's good to see it stretched to three games because normally steps 2 and 3 are one and the same.

Not going to lie struggling to see how to fit those 11 players into something cohesive.

Best I think I can manage is

Smith Cashin Forsyth Roberts
           Bird Hourihane
NML       McGoldrick   Dobbin 
               Collins
 
Maybe Roberts and Forsyth the other way round.
Weirdly on paper this gets back close to what Rosenior's preferred line up was (outside of injuries at centre back). 
Doesn't send a great message to Stearman though if we are playing a back 4, he's not my favourite player but I'd thought he'd play if we play a back 4.

Not going to lie struggling to see how to fit those 11 players into something cohesive.

Best I think I can manage is

Smith Cashin Forsyth Roberts
           Bird Hourihane
NML       McGoldrick   Dobbin 
               Collins
 
Maybe Roberts and Forsyth the other way round.
Weirdly on paper this gets back close to what Rosenior's preferred line up was (outside of injuries at centre back). 
Doesn't send a great message to Stearman though if we are playing a back 4, he's not my favourite player but I'd thought he'd play if we play a back 4.

I'm not saying every penalty we've conceded is a direct result of how we play. I'm saying with  how we play and with the players we have, it's not hard to imagine we we are more susceptible to it.
But if you want a slightly different argument; a tired player is far more likely to make a mistake.

My point isn't that it's a 352 leading to penalties, my point is we are playing in a way that leaves us exposed with a bunch of slow defenders at the back. It leads to a lot of last ditch defending which is often where you get penalties.

So 5 league games into Warne's tenure and I think a pattern is emerging. The short version of this Warne isn't managing the fitness levels of the squad very well which when combined with a very narrow tactical outlook is leading to some of the mediocre performances we've been seeing. And there is reason to be concerned that if this isn't adjusted things will go downhill. 
Tactics
As everyone knows we've been setting up under Warne with a 352 with an attempt at pressing aggressively and attacking directly. With the two wingbacks being actually wingers. It's not hard to see how setting up like this asks a lot physically of any given player. With the wingbacks so aggressive there is often a lot of space to cover out wide meaning the midfield and the wider centre backs are often having to cover large swaths of ground just to plug gaps. I think a big reason why we've conceded so many penalties is because of how easily we can get stretched.
Also the midfield are all encouraged to press meaning there is no one to cover so they all have to keep moving or else again gaps appear. Then added on top of all of this is a seeming reluctance to try to keep the ball for any amount of time, even when we are up and even when we are looking gassed. I can remember times even when we've won that we were in a position just to slow the game down and keep the ball to take the sting out of the game only for players to be encouraged to go recklessly forwards.
What this leads to is almost an exhaustive amount of work than isn't entirely necessary and it's no wonder that frequently gaps starting really appearing in games for us after half time. I think the best example for this is in Warne's first game in charge we were one up and yet we are taking a long throw into the box with all the centre backs up field which is followed by a counter which all of them have to sprint back.
Fitness
Its worth noting that we had a short pre season meaning that the players didn't necessarily have the time to do the same amount of fitness work. Combined into this is several players carrying knocks at different stages in pre-season and most of the squad is either on one side or the other of where you'd expect them to be at their fittest from an age perspective. In short our squad isn't the fittest but that's not something you can solve in the short term. It's also exercabated by lack of depth in places. It's something as a manager you should be carefully managing both from a team selection stand point and from a tactical stand point. And yet Warne has often kept players playing well past the point they've looked knackered and players playing physically overdemanding positions are often getting started multiple times in a week. And I think you are seeing the effect this is having. Its no surprise that we've had now 4 injuries in 3 games and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
Performance
A more tired player is more likely to get injured. But also a player who is fatigued is going to be worse, they'll suddenly look a yard off the pace or their touch will desert them or they'll seemingly drift by in a game. Being tired affects you mentally as well as physically and I think so-so isn't doing enough can often be because they are knackered out. These things tend to spiral as well because if X is tiring, Y has to work harder to cover which leads to them tiring and so on.
Our best performances under Warne have come after an international and after a full week off. Whilst all of our performances where we've played Tuesday-Saturday have been mediocre at best. This isn't a coincidence, fatigue is leading to a drop off in performance levels. It's concerning that Warne is saying that we just aren't working hard enough because it means he's likely missing the forest for the trees. 
Going Forwards
We are currently in a very congested run of fixtures with another 5 games in the next 14 days. Thats a tough run physically on any squad. If things go they way they've been so far I think we will so another couple players pick up injuries and performances steadily get worse. The tactics and the management of players are just causing to much fatigue to build in a squad ill-equipped for it. And it's increasingly looking like Warne with his tactical rigidity and his focus on not working hard enough in his recent interview either doesn't seem where the issues is stemming from or doesn't have a solution.
After all if your only tool is a hammer every problem is a nail.

Personally I think the next 5 games are critical for Warne.
We've got 5 games in 14 days, which taking into account the last 4 will be a total 9 in 28 days. That's a tough spell for any team physically. And it's already taking its toll with 4 players out injured. 
If, like i suspect, a big part in the dip in performances and injuries is from fatigue caused by mismanagement. Then if it continues things will quite likely go wrong fast over this next 5 games with a possibility of being cut adrift from the top 6 and an injury list that will be preventative to mounting a challenge. In that scenario Warne's job will be under a lot of scrutiny.
On the flip side though if he finds a way to navigate through the next 5 ok then he will likely be fine. He will have a week gap before the next game and then it's the international break, so that should provide a bit of a rest and a chance to get players back fit. Then he won't be far from January and at a point he get the players he wants to make his style of play work.
At the current moment his comments about no one being able to predict when it's too much work for a player or around needing to work harder make me feel that he doesn't see his own hand in the situation. It doesn't give me confidence that he can knowingly correct it.