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42 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Since when are wingers midfielders 

First we'll need to sign a genuine winger, before we try playing them in midfield.

On 22/09/2023 at 10:11, angieram said:

I'm interested to know how many "season ticket holders" buy. Feels like most of them who want to go to away matches are already away members. But they kicked up a bit of a fuss to get their own category.

Why would you assume that every season ticket holder who goes to away games would have an away membership.

As a season ticket holder I've been to all the away games this season where tickets have been available for me to buy. I was hoping to go to the Carlisle game but unfortunately tickets sold out before they reached my category. Though I did pass within a mile of Carlise's game when travelling up to Scotland on Saturday.

I'll be travelling to Blackpool and will also be at Notts County if I can get tickets.

Out of interest I'll be curious to know how many away members will be travelling to the Notts' EFL cup game that didn't go to the home EFL cup game against Lincoln?

Maybe a bit more kudos in attending that game, than bothering to turn up for the Lincoln game..   

ATG

Wildsmith:-6.5

Wilson:-:-7

Bradley:-6

Radcliffe:-6

Cashin:-6.5

Barkhuizen:-6.5

Washington:-6

Collins:-6

Sibley:-6.5

Smith:-6

Embleton:-6

Mendez-Laing:-6

Elder:-5.5

Forsyth:-6

Fornah:-6

Most of the starting eleven lost half a point due to their first half performance.

To right we shouldn't be discussing Paul Warne tomorrow.

The 21st of September is far to an important day to be wasted on such trivialities.

It probably doesn't have a direct effect on the atmosphere in the ground. But can someone tell me what the awful noise is, I can't bring myself to call it music, that is being played just before the team run out. 

7 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

So, besides the fact he didn't 'dump us' you wouldn't want a manager that was wanted by a Prem team? Clough is doing well now isn't he.

Yes, Clough as made a good start to the season. How many years as he now been at Mansfield, did he build his team in one season or as it taken him a few seasons?

How many years did he take to build a team here? How many of those years did we flirt with relegation? When he did finally assemble a good group of players it needed a change of manager to utilise their full potential. 

So we make him or A N Other our next manager. How long will we give them to achieve the success we want?

Oh wait fans want instance success, so who can we bring in that will guarantee this? 

What happens if promotion doesn't instantly arrive? Do we go back to the tried and failed plan that nearly saw us go out of existence? Change the manager every time fans moan about the results or style of play.

While Warne's style may not be the prettiest at times, it as been proven to get teams promoted. Isn't promotion our main priority? I'm sure once that is achieved, the club will then decide on their next step.

I do think we're not seeing how Warne wants the team to play, due to the budget and transfer restrictions imposed by the EFL, some of the players he as had to bring in aren't good enough. 

Hopefully come next season Warne will have a budget that enables him to deal in the transfer market for a better level of player.

Like everyone else, I want to see us promoted but accept that it may take a little longer than I'd hoped it would. With David Clowes giving Warne a four year contract, it appears he understood that getting the club back to where we were, may not be as quick as some fans had wanted.

23 hours ago, LN747 said:

Surely we could have picked up some swift creative midfielder over the summer, the amount I’ve seen who seem to control games when they play us….?

If we go with the premise that Warneball is just a matter of lumping the ball as high and as long as possible, why do we need a midfield.

But if we don't go with that premise and we do require a midfield, then we do need players capable of competing with the opposition midfielders.

While the opposition midfielders may be swift, I do think many of them lack any great level of creativity. Unfortunately what many of these opposition players do have, is more physicality in winning the ball and the willingness to move into space to receive the ball, than some of our own midfield are presently able to muster.

I believe Warne has the players needed to make our midfield, which includes the wide players be they wingers or wing-backs, into a competitive unit. Before he can achieve this, he just needs for them to all be fully fit.

ATG.

1Wildsmith:-7

35Nelson:-7

6Cashin:-7

3Forsyth:-7

11Méndez-Laing:-6

17Sibley:-6

12Smith:-7.5

4Hourihane:-5.5

Embleton:-6

22Fornah:-6

20Elder:-5

Barkhuizen:-6

10Waghorn:-6

14Washington:-6

9Collins:-6

Wilson:-6

To fit in with the current squad and help make the midfield and ultimately the team play better. I'd have Robin van der Laan. He'd be a driving force and the captain this team needs.

Jeez, not another poll, how long is this one going to drag on for?

When is the Paul Warne Poll going to be locked and the votes counted? So the returning officer can declare a winner. 

Or are both polls going to rubble on to the end of the season?

31 minutes ago, sage said:

Can you tell us what style of football Warne is trying to build at Derby and  explain how his signings reflect that plan?

Nope. 

While we won't know the final look of the squad, that Warne will be able to assemble once free from EFL restrictions. It will probably be a good bet that it won't be a free flowing and passing style of football. But hopefully it'll have a style good enough to get us out of this division.

Which if I'm not mistaken is what Warne as been tasked with achieving and what every fan wants to see. Regardless of the style of football played

When we survived going out out existence by the skin of our teeth. The were fans stating we must never get in this situation again. Pointing at a club like Brentford for how we should be run. I'm sure they and other clubs like them didn't start their climb up the league by playing attractive expansive football. They adapted their style as the progressed through the ranks. Are Luton still playing the same way they did in the National league now they are in the Prem?

We all want to watch the Rams play open attractive football. Can we achieve this at the moment no. 

Can we achieve it in the future, hopefully yes. But it won't happen instantly and we all need to be patient.

I'll assume that once the EFL restrictions are lifted. Warne will be able to bring in the type of player,  he'd like to bring in now, if he had the financial capabilities.

Hopefully while Warne is operating under the EFL restrictions he's been able to start assembling some of the players he thinks he'll need to get us out of this division.

If not and he as to assemble an entirely new squad, so be it. But which ever way the rebuilding happens, it won't happen over and as I've already said, we'll need to be patient

Yes I could have allowed the the ref's performance to cloud my take from the game.  Even with him awarding us a pen, I thought the ref was a bit of a homer. Did he or didn't he get the red card right? That's now a mute point. 

What again really concerned me from yesterday's game was the inability of our better, so called to good for this division, players to have any impact on the game.  This problem wasn't isolated to the Bolton game, it's been evident not just this season, it was a problem in many of the games last season.

While on paper we supposedly have a good squad of players. To often we are losing out to "lower" teams. While these teams may allegedly not have the skill levels as our players, or so people tell us.  They appear more capable of competing physically for possession of the ball, the desire to get to the ball first. To often we don't win the second ball. Meaning any attack breaks down and we are put under pressure by the opposition.

I've read all the posts regarding  quality of our last season's hastily assembled squad compared to this season's squad. Both old and new squads both lack the aggressiveness I believe a team needs, if it wants to get out of this division.

So if I want to find fault with Warne's player recruitment, is that he hasn't  found a couple of players that could instil the steel into the side, more specifically the midfield, that I think we need.

1Wildsmith:-6.5

34Rooney:-6.5

35Nelson:-6.5

3Forsyth:-7.5

11Méndez-Laing:-5.5

12Smith:-6

4Hourihane:-5

22Fornah:-6

20Elder:-6

14Washington:-5.5

10Waghorn:-6

5Bradley:-5.5

31Vickers:-6

19John-Jules:-6

9Collins:-5.5

6Cashin:-6

As Bolton play in white, which kit will we be playing in? The one we won 3-0 in or the one we won 4-2 in?

1 hour ago, jameso said:

16Thompson - 8 - I can't remember the last time I gave an 8. Well played young man. Energy and skill in abundance. On this evidence I have massively underestimated him because he's not just good... he's really good!

3Forsyth - 7 - solid time and time again. Also love the force he puts into his tackles. Fozzie means business!

10Waghorn - 9 - can't remember my last 8 and pretty sure I've never given a 9. What a finishing performance from Waggy (especially the third) but so much more than that. He was a total menace throughout, and such intelligent use of the ball. Said recently he looks like he's organising things too, and that was evident again yesterday. On course to be the League One signing of the season! (not to get too carried away...)

 You've just given an 8 to Thompson. If your memory is so poor, are you sure you've never awarded a 9 

ATG

1Wildsmith:-6.5

34Rooney:-6.5

35Nelson:-6

6Cashin:-6

11Méndez-Laing:-6

12Smith:-6.5

4Hourihane:-5.5

16Thompson:-8 MOM

3Forsyth:-7 

10Waghorn:-8

14Washington:-6

9Collins:-6

14Elder:-6

19John-Jules:-6

22Fornah:-6

56 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

What happened to the days when we wanted to win by playing better football than the other team? 

Probably lose to a team using the pootactics that people are posting about.

Can't understand why people have a dislike for the black collar and white cuffs.

I've had a few former girlfriends who's collars and cuffs didn't match, that I liked.

I don't normally like collars on football shirts but this one may make it onto the shortlist of those I do like. I'll need to see it in the flesh, before making a definite decision. 

ATG.

1Wildsmith:-7

35Nelson:-6

5Bradley5.5

34Rooney:-6.5

14Washington:-6

6Cashin:-6

12Smith:-6

23Waghorn:-6.5

4Hourihane:-5.5

3Forsyth:-6.5

11Méndez-Laing:-6

20Elder:-6

9Collins:-6

16Thompson:-7.5

17Sibley:-6

Didn't know which of the finger pointing, blaming of who is responsible for three bad games threads to put this. So stuck it in here.

So what do the great and good who post on here want?

For many it looks like the removal of Warne is the favourite option. 

So what would need to take place for this to happen.

Clowes sacks Warne. Have the club got the finances to pay off, him and the rest of his management team? If they haven't, I can't see our owner wanting to stump up the cash from his own pocket.

OK, so the club do find the money to pay Warne off. Who comes in as his replacement?

More importantly who is going to identify the right man for the job? Going by the comments of some, we can't leave that task to the person that brought Warne to the club. Maybe as as been suggested, we could appoint a director of football to carry this out. But who should we get as DF and again who is going to identify a suitable candidate?

So what type of manager/coach should we be getting? Another manager that favours a system with 3 centrebacks and hope he can get the players specifically signed for that formation playing better. Or should it be someone who wants to play a flat back four? One that will if there's no more budget or time to bring in new players, have to shoehorn our existing players into roles they don't usually play.

Whatever type of manager we go for, is there any guarantee they can attract a better class of player than we presently can?

Lastly if the new guy isn't working, how long should we wait before starting the whole process again?

Haven't we been on this carousel before and look how that end for us.

Looks like things are tuning toxic far quicker than I ever imagined.

I had concerns that if we weren't sat at the top of the table come the end of September. Some fans could become disgruntled. 

But attacks after only four games, on the person who is the sole reason why we are still watching Derby playing in the EFL, is beyond belief.

Maybe it would have been best if we had had gone under. Then we could have started at grassroots with a supporters group run club, so the only people we could moan about is ourselves.

I wouldn't consider my self in any way a happy clapping, rose tinted wearing optimistic. Yes I'm not happy with how this season as started but the reaction of some fans is plain crazy.

What I am happy with, is how the club is now being financially run. If this means we can't have a realistic go at getting promoted until we are out from under the heel of the EFL, so be it

ATG.

1Wildsmith:-6.5

35Nelson:-5

5Bradley:-5

14Washington:-6

6Cashin:-5.5

23Ward:-5

2Wilson:-6

12Smith:-5

23Waghorn:-6

8Bird:-5.5

4Hourihane:-3

3Forsyth:-6.5

11Méndez-Laing:-5

20Elder:-6

9Collins:-6

16Thompson:-6.5

1 hour ago, Ellafella said:

Fill yer boots! Click on the image to see a larger version. 

The table illustrates the range of scores provided by raters to give you an idea of the variation. 

 

Is there a key for the colour coding?