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AndyinLiverpool

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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from 1967Ram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I think the two of them know each other pretty well. She may well work for the BBC, that hotbed of anarcho-syndicalism but she is definitely not left wing.
    It's not really moving on if there are still important questions to be answered but the person who can answer them has his fingers in his ears.
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Archied in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I think the two of them know each other pretty well. She may well work for the BBC, that hotbed of anarcho-syndicalism but she is definitely not left wing.
    It's not really moving on if there are still important questions to be answered but the person who can answer them has his fingers in his ears.
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    AndyinLiverpool reacted to ramit in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Heard some fascist maniac calling in to a local radio station vomiting up his vile intolerable intolerant views of how the left needs to be violently eradicated from society. 
    i wanted to kill him and his ilk.
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from jono in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I’m going to have this framed. Not even her indoors ever says I’m right. Come to think of it, especially her. 
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from uttoxram75 in The Politics Thread 2020   
    To me, it's beyond any actual offence or prosecution thereof. 
    It's the message it sends out to people who are really struggling. Isolated from friends and family then, suddenly, a key member of the team who created the lockdown travels across the country to be with family, having made very little effort to exhaust options locally. And actually return to work after going home to his wife, who was ill. These are not the actions of someone who has grasped the importance of his role in the public sphere. It sticks in the craw. We can argue about the minutiae of laws broken or not but it simply isn't right to expect people to behave in a certain way then to not do so yourself.
    His actions were mindless, selfish, undermining, insulting. That's what I'd have fired him for. It's also no wonder Johnson didn't fire him for it.
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from 1967Ram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    That's not even half of them.
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    AndyinLiverpool reacted to TuffLuff in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Dammit, before your great reply I was gonna reply with ‘yes’!
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Bob The Badger in The Politics Thread 2020   
    To me, it's beyond any actual offence or prosecution thereof. 
    It's the message it sends out to people who are really struggling. Isolated from friends and family then, suddenly, a key member of the team who created the lockdown travels across the country to be with family, having made very little effort to exhaust options locally. And actually return to work after going home to his wife, who was ill. These are not the actions of someone who has grasped the importance of his role in the public sphere. It sticks in the craw. We can argue about the minutiae of laws broken or not but it simply isn't right to expect people to behave in a certain way then to not do so yourself.
    His actions were mindless, selfish, undermining, insulting. That's what I'd have fired him for. It's also no wonder Johnson didn't fire him for it.
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    AndyinLiverpool reacted to Van Gritters in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I think you may be giving him a bit too much credit when you say created the lockdown. The lockdown will have been a scientific model that was imposed across most countries in fact it may have been more clear cut if it was like France where you needed a permit to leave your house. 
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Pearl Ram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    To me, it's beyond any actual offence or prosecution thereof. 
    It's the message it sends out to people who are really struggling. Isolated from friends and family then, suddenly, a key member of the team who created the lockdown travels across the country to be with family, having made very little effort to exhaust options locally. And actually return to work after going home to his wife, who was ill. These are not the actions of someone who has grasped the importance of his role in the public sphere. It sticks in the craw. We can argue about the minutiae of laws broken or not but it simply isn't right to expect people to behave in a certain way then to not do so yourself.
    His actions were mindless, selfish, undermining, insulting. That's what I'd have fired him for. It's also no wonder Johnson didn't fire him for it.
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Norman in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I'm really not sure what your point is.  Clearly, Kinnock's role is as part of the shadow cabinet. You asked me what I would do if I were Starmer and I told you. As I have stated clearly, I wouldn't have him in my shadow cabinet, my team etc etc. 
    As it happens, I don't feel as strongly about Kinnock's actions because he didn't write the rules.
    But, I will say it again, I wouldn't have him in my team. I know you you know what that means. If he were in my shadow cabinet, I would get rid of him, as I said. If he were not, I wouldn't put him in. I have expressed my anger about a whole range of people breaking the lockdown. Including Kinnock and including friends of mine. Just because I haven't mentioned it on here, doesn't mean I haven't been cross. I don't actually recall a discussion about Kinnock or any of the other MPs in this thread.
    The mock outrage is not coming from me. The discussion has been about Cummings. 
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Uptherams in The Politics Thread 2020   
    But I've already answered that based on actual reality.
    I'm not being evasive. I repeat: Would I have him in my Shadow Cabinet? No. (You even asked 'Yes or no' after I had said this. Hence my not being sure what you are trying to do) That's reality. Would I have him piloting the space shuttle after his writing the the pilot manual and wilfully going against it? No. Would I have him in the kitchen after his being caught whacking off in the mayonaise? No. I'm not sure how many imaginary scenarios you want to go through. I would expect high standards and if people are being dick about it, I wouldn't have them in my team.
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Uptherams in The Politics Thread 2020   
    But he’s not an adviser. He’s a member of the shadow cabinet. 
     
    not really sure what you’re trying to do here. 
     
    you can’t make it like-for-like by changing  the job of one of the people. Can we also imagine that one of them is a butcher or baker or candlestick maker?
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Uptherams in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I wrote this:
    'Would I have him in my Shadow Cabinet? No.'
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from Uptherams in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I can't dismiss an MP. A party leader can't dismiss an MP. Would I have him in my Shadow Cabinet? No. I thought he was a dick at the time and I still do. I don't need people to be whiter than white but I would want them to lead by example. Driving for nonessential reasons is not leading by example.
    I also wouldn't pick Kyle Walker for England, though that's easy to say when there are better options anyway.
    I still don't see how other people's actions detract from Cummings' example.
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from ariotofmyown in The Politics Thread 2020   
    And? How does the detract from Cummings?
    just because other people have done stuff they shouldn’t have, we just accept the person making the rules doing what he pleases? It’s not a very good argument    
     
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from i-Ram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    As someone who lived for a while in South Wales and spent some Saturday evenings in Cardiff, I wouldn't advise doing anything that could encumber your escape, like eating chips
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from TramRam in The Politics Thread 2020   
    You are right. I could find very little about these MPs in the Express, Telegraph or the Sun, for example. There's a bit of a jab in the ribs for Kinnock in the Sun (complete with a picture of him social distancing) and details on the tweet the police put out. They don't seemed to have followed it up.
    I suspect that had they been involved in formulating the rules and their, er, 'boss' go on TV to tell people to stay at home, it might have been worse.
    This is not a left-wing wet dream. It's people of all political persuasions making massive sacrifices for the greater good and having that rubbed in their faces by someone that apparently couldn't be arsed.
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    AndyinLiverpool reacted to alexxxxx in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Love this media witchunt angle that's being pushed all over by righty twitter. Pathetic. 
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    AndyinLiverpool reacted to cannable in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Leave.EU looks like a neutral source of information 
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from I know nothing in The Politics Thread 2020   
    And there was me wondering when you would get round to trying obfuscate through whataboutery.
    Have you used the word 'hypocrisy' today yet?
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    AndyinLiverpool reacted to i-Ram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    No, it’s a comfortable slip-on shoe that is worn indoors.
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    AndyinLiverpool reacted to SchtivePesley in The Politics Thread 2020   
    This is pretty handy if you're unsure about whether you should stay at home
    https://jimmeruk.com/stayathome/
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    AndyinLiverpool got a reaction from ariotofmyown in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Wasn’t there also a bit where he was asked if, as a friend of Cummings of many years, he might have chipped in to help him out?
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