duncanjwitham

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't care about how we actually play, they why even bother watching the games? You can just watch the scores come up on Ceefax/Twitter/Soccer Saturday/whatever and get exactly the same value from the match.  Obviously there are different ways to play 'entertaining' football, not just Barca-eqsue pass and move.  The sort of fast, direct style Liverpool were playing last season is very entertaining.  By most metrics Leicester are probably quite defensive, but their counterattacking football can be good to watch and so on.
And beyond that, there are absolutely sensible short term reasons to play ugly football.  On a losing streak and need to grind out some wins, then fine.   Got promoted and need to establish yourself early on in a tough league, then fine.  The thing I personally object to is those managers that actively choose to play ugly football all the time.  

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't care about how we actually play, they why even bother watching the games? You can just watch the scores come up on Ceefax/Twitter/Soccer Saturday/whatever and get exactly the same value from the match.  Obviously there are different ways to play 'entertaining' football, not just Barca-eqsue pass and move.  The sort of fast, direct style Liverpool were playing last season is very entertaining.  By most metrics Leicester are probably quite defensive, but their counterattacking football can be good to watch and so on.
And beyond that, there are absolutely sensible short term reasons to play ugly football.  On a losing streak and need to grind out some wins, then fine.   Got promoted and need to establish yourself early on in a tough league, then fine.  The thing I personally object to is those managers that actively choose to play ugly football all the time.  

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't care about how we actually play, they why even bother watching the games? You can just watch the scores come up on Ceefax/Twitter/Soccer Saturday/whatever and get exactly the same value from the match.  Obviously there are different ways to play 'entertaining' football, not just Barca-eqsue pass and move.  The sort of fast, direct style Liverpool were playing last season is very entertaining.  By most metrics Leicester are probably quite defensive, but their counterattacking football can be good to watch and so on.
And beyond that, there are absolutely sensible short term reasons to play ugly football.  On a losing streak and need to grind out some wins, then fine.   Got promoted and need to establish yourself early on in a tough league, then fine.  The thing I personally object to is those managers that actively choose to play ugly football all the time.  

Does this actually matter to us? As far as I know, it's the window of the buying club that matters. You can sell or release a player at any time, the transfer window is just a restriction on when you can register an incoming player at your club.
Obviously if they want to sign a replacement before they sell him then it matters to them.

He got better and better throughout his spell, which is what you'd expect from a youngster learning his trade.  He'd just started to really show what he could do when Liverpool recalled him, played him at wingback for a bit and then never played him again, which pretty much tanked his career.

He got better and better throughout his spell, which is what you'd expect from a youngster learning his trade.  He'd just started to really show what he could do when Liverpool recalled him, played him at wingback for a bit and then never played him again, which pretty much tanked his career.

The biggest problem Sibley's had is being the only threat in the team, so the opposition just double up on him.  His tailing off last season coincided with Lawrence and Waghorn getting suspended, and Holmes injured etc.  Chuck a couple of Lawrence, Waghorn, Jozwiak, Ibe etc in there too, and suddenly Sibley will get a lot more space.

The biggest problem Sibley's had is being the only threat in the team, so the opposition just double up on him.  His tailing off last season coincided with Lawrence and Waghorn getting suspended, and Holmes injured etc.  Chuck a couple of Lawrence, Waghorn, Jozwiak, Ibe etc in there too, and suddenly Sibley will get a lot more space.

The biggest problem Sibley's had is being the only threat in the team, so the opposition just double up on him.  His tailing off last season coincided with Lawrence and Waghorn getting suspended, and Holmes injured etc.  Chuck a couple of Lawrence, Waghorn, Jozwiak, Ibe etc in there too, and suddenly Sibley will get a lot more space.

The biggest problem Sibley's had is being the only threat in the team, so the opposition just double up on him.  His tailing off last season coincided with Lawrence and Waghorn getting suspended, and Holmes injured etc.  Chuck a couple of Lawrence, Waghorn, Jozwiak, Ibe etc in there too, and suddenly Sibley will get a lot more space.

The biggest problem Sibley's had is being the only threat in the team, so the opposition just double up on him.  His tailing off last season coincided with Lawrence and Waghorn getting suspended, and Holmes injured etc.  Chuck a couple of Lawrence, Waghorn, Jozwiak, Ibe etc in there too, and suddenly Sibley will get a lot more space.

The biggest problem Sibley's had is being the only threat in the team, so the opposition just double up on him.  His tailing off last season coincided with Lawrence and Waghorn getting suspended, and Holmes injured etc.  Chuck a couple of Lawrence, Waghorn, Jozwiak, Ibe etc in there too, and suddenly Sibley will get a lot more space.

The biggest problem Sibley's had is being the only threat in the team, so the opposition just double up on him.  His tailing off last season coincided with Lawrence and Waghorn getting suspended, and Holmes injured etc.  Chuck a couple of Lawrence, Waghorn, Jozwiak, Ibe etc in there too, and suddenly Sibley will get a lot more space.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/=
"43.8 Subject to Regulations 43.2, 43.3, 43.9 and 57, a Player will only be eligible to play in a match organised by The League if:
43.8.1  the appropriate forms for his registration or the transfer of his registration (including, for the avoidance of doubt, Temporary Loan Transfers) are submitted (in such manner as the League shall specify from time to time) to and received by The League by 12.00 noon on the day prior to the date of such match; and confirmed by the League to be in order; and"
So about 4 hours ago...

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/=
"43.8 Subject to Regulations 43.2, 43.3, 43.9 and 57, a Player will only be eligible to play in a match organised by The League if:
43.8.1  the appropriate forms for his registration or the transfer of his registration (including, for the avoidance of doubt, Temporary Loan Transfers) are submitted (in such manner as the League shall specify from time to time) to and received by The League by 12.00 noon on the day prior to the date of such match; and confirmed by the League to be in order; and"
So about 4 hours ago...

Providing the clause isn't stupidly low, it makes no practical difference to us, so don't risk blowing up the deal just for that.  If the clause is say £12m, then if we don't get promoted and someone offers £12m for a player we paid ~£3.5m for, we're probably accepting it anyway, regardless of the clause.  Obviously if they're insisting on a £3.5m clause, then we can't accept it.

He's the kind of player that will benefit from playing with better players, and those players will benefit from playing with him too.  It can't be easy trying to find Grey and Deeney in space to pass to, but when you've got Kane, Son, Moura etc...

He's the kind of player that will benefit from playing with better players, and those players will benefit from playing with him too.  It can't be easy trying to find Grey and Deeney in space to pass to, but when you've got Kane, Son, Moura etc...

The thing is though, we still have to account for the amortisation, whether we do it in year 1 or year 4.  We can still spend the same amount of money as other clubs (relative to club income etc etc) in the long term, we maybe just have a little bit more flexibility about when we do it.  We're not suddenly able to spend millions that we otherwise wouldn't and other clubs can't.  So I'd argue it really isn't even against the spirit of the rules.

I checked the rules earlier - they can only introduce evidence that wasn't available at the time of the original tribunal, and they have to actively convince the tribunal of that, they can't just claim it off hand.  Their own negligence in looking for the evidence isn't an excuse to being it in now (so they can't introduce stuff that was available back then but they just hadn't looked properly).  I can't imagine there will be anything new introduced, since nothing seems to have come to light since.

Just to be clear:
Appeal his heard by the League Arbitration Panel (not Independent Disciplinary Panel) No new evidence can be submitted unless the evidence wasn't available at the time The LAP can confirm the original decision, modify the original decision, or order a new hearing with new members on the Independent Disciplinary Panel.

I checked the rules earlier - they can only introduce evidence that wasn't available at the time of the original tribunal, and they have to actively convince the tribunal of that, they can't just claim it off hand.  Their own negligence in looking for the evidence isn't an excuse to being it in now (so they can't introduce stuff that was available back then but they just hadn't looked properly).  I can't imagine there will be anything new introduced, since nothing seems to have come to light since.

I can see why people are upset when they compare this to the Cash deal.
Cash averaged an assist every six games for Forest last season, while Bogle averaged one every other game for them.

The difference between a 433 and a 4231 is as much down to which players you pick as anything the manager says IMO.  If you pick Rooney, Bird and Sibley in there, Bird is still going to drop deep and look to play through midfield, and Sibley is still going to be getting on the ball and driving at people, no matter what numbers the manager puts on the board.

"They made me play in an U23 game I didn't want to play in, I got crippled and haven't played since".  That should convince him... 😬