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I wouldn't lose sleep if we sold Cashin, Bird or anyone...so long as the money we received enabled us to strengthen.
What I would be concerned with is giving Warne the Cashin money to strengthen. We may as well spend all the money on chopstix and sit there snapping them.

The play with a style! They achually use there midfield get playere in the box to score goals our striker is so isolated he goes looki for the ball and ends up out wide they also dont have every attack out wide they mix it up

As fans in this league we expect to win but we also expect to be entertained with good progressive football being played 
this season and last season we have won games but I see no progression and no real football being played and no intent to play any either - so entertainment is very restricted 

To answer the OP, no he doesn’t deserve the vitriol, although I suspect there’s more of that on Twitter.  There is the odd comment about PE teacher, etc on here and I do think that’s uncalled for.  Does he deserve criticism, yes if performances and results don’t go to plan.  Preferably constructive rather than a one-liner with no substance.
Now we’ve lost a game, we’re again seeing the odd comment about his why wall, good people, etc.  Again, I think it’s uncalled for.  I’ve done leadership training led by a lot of sports people and tools and techniques such as why walls, belief walls, etc are common in sport.  Most sports, individual and team use these provide purpose, confidence, etc.  And as for good people, I watched an interview with Thomas Frank on Sky and he was asked what he looked for and first of all it’s good people.  Gary Rowett has a podcast  and he discussed the transfer window.  Again, he came back to good characters and people.  If it’s a weakness, Warne is probably too honest in actually talking about these in a way other managers don’t so it be ones a stick to beat him with.
Most posters are balanced but occasionally it goes over the top.  As someone said to me a few years ago, don’t go overboard with the highs and don’t get too down about the lows.

I don’t like him as a manager, I don’t like the way that his football is often being played, resulting in us continually giving the ball to the opposition to play with; it drives me nuts. 
 
When we play football and retain possession, we are a much better side. We are capable of that but we don’t see it enough. 
 
I am not critical of him taking the job, but tactically he is outdone by others too many times. I am baffled by the decision of our sole owner to offer the job to him. 

I don’t like him as a manager, I don’t like the way that his football is often being played, resulting in us continually giving the ball to the opposition to play with; it drives me nuts. 
 
When we play football and retain possession, we are a much better side. We are capable of that but we don’t see it enough. 
 
I am not critical of him taking the job, but tactically he is outdone by others too many times. I am baffled by the decision of our sole owner to offer the job to him. 

I don’t like him as a manager, I don’t like the way that his football is often being played, resulting in us continually giving the ball to the opposition to play with; it drives me nuts. 
 
When we play football and retain possession, we are a much better side. We are capable of that but we don’t see it enough. 
 
I am not critical of him taking the job, but tactically he is outdone by others too many times. I am baffled by the decision of our sole owner to offer the job to him. 

I don’t like him as a manager, I don’t like the way that his football is often being played, resulting in us continually giving the ball to the opposition to play with; it drives me nuts. 
 
When we play football and retain possession, we are a much better side. We are capable of that but we don’t see it enough. 
 
I am not critical of him taking the job, but tactically he is outdone by others too many times. I am baffled by the decision of our sole owner to offer the job to him. 

31Vickers 6
2Wilson 6
5Bradley 6
35Nelson 6
6Cashin 5
20Elder 7
4Hourihane 5
23Ward 5
8Bird 4
7Barkhuizen 5
27Blackett-Taylor 5
16Thompson 6
17Sibley 6
11Méndez-Laing 7
9Collins 4
19John-Jules 5

Why is TJJ where he is? Why did Tommo go off?

Oooh what you say won't be popular. The truth hurts. Absolutely spot on.
What did we look like when the second-half subs came on? #chaos #clueless

The team are not coached to have any control. Another midfielder will not help if Warne continues to employ the tactics he wants us to play football.
I say football. It’s pinball. Players must be being encouraged to move it as forward as quickly as possible, taking no more than 3 touches. Chaotic, gas out type football.
I thought we might go up with our squad automatically, even with him in charge. I am beginning to think not.

Why can't you get your hands on it? Easiest thing in the world to do is lose money, hardest thing to do is make it. Easy to work for someone else (and I have in the past) and let them roll the dice too. I've lost a lot, made a lot for what its worth.
I personally think the phrase "walk a mile in someones' shoes" ought to apply before musing too long on how "ecstatic" wealthy people must be with their lot. And do that, you need to do that. I.e. Go and create the multi £M business from scratch, employ dozens of people (who when the going gets tough move from your biggest asset to your biggest liability), be responsible for huge loans/financial obligations that require personal guarantees far in excess of any financial assets you have (and the sleepless nights that come with it). Grass is always greener on the other side, employee and owner looking enviously at each other. Believe it or not, I've been envious of my staff in the past to not have the incessant worry that the contract you've just won will be your last, to get a regular pay cheque at month end, to have the next bank holiday off and 25 days leave (while I work 51 weeks a year, every bank holiday)...sack it all off and get a "normal" job where somebody else has to make all the taxing decisions and I just do what I'm told. Oh what a fantasy!
There is a lot of delusion in the U.K. that wealthy people are "elites" and somehow out of touch. In my experience (half my phone book are fairly sizeable SME owners) 90% are the most industrious people you could meet (send them an email at 1am and you get a reply at 1.10am), not born with money and with massive risk appetites that would make ordinary people throw up with worry. And also entirely comfortable with the idea of being solely responsible for their own fate/income (vast majority want the security of the State or an employer). Their mindset is totally different. Yet we focus on politicians or landed gentry/inherited money as if they're wholly representative.
So beyond arbtriary made up numbers on a page, I'd question not how difficult it is to imagine spending that sum of money but how difficult it is to get there, and once you are there with a target on your back, how difficult it is to stay there and whether you are the sort of person who (realistically, be honest with yourself) could do it. You NEVER switch off, never. 
I think most people like the look of the boss's chair but I'm fairly confident 6 months in the hotseat for most would put a lot of people in hospital with stress/anxiety. And if you think anyone takes this on for a 100% tax rate, well...Karl Marx as an idol is unlikely to make a good businessperson IMO, probably more suited to setting up a charity. If you post under a business forum under the same name I think I know you who are, I post under the same name too, so if that is the case not doubting you have a small enterprise under your wing, but I don't think you have to worry about all that cash just yet 😛
 

31Vickers  7
2Wilson  7
35Nelson  8
6Cashin  5
20Elder  6
7Barkhuizen  5
16Thompson  6
8Bird  6
4Hourihane  6
11Méndez-Laing  7
17Sibley  6
19John-Jules  6
9Collins  5

Blimey Eddie - you seem to be comparing our team with some untrained Second World War heroes who took on the Nazi's with a spade and a fork.
I accept the team are gutsy and of great character. Management too. However, when you describe them as a bunch of shoestring-budget journeymen and kids you lose me.  We are in League 1, which consists almost entirely of shoestring-budget journeymen and kids.  In my opinion our bunch (squad) of shoestring-budget journeymen and kids are the strongest in the league. I can't personally think of another squad I would swap with. Peterboro or Bolton perhaps, but I really doubt it.
I said at the start of the season that with our squad, in what is a weak league, we should and must finish top two. I also said that in spite of Warne we should achieve it. I still think we will, but I really can't say the team has improved much in terms of playing controlled football this season.  I opt to watch less these days, and my last 3 watches have been Stevenage, Peterborough and Burton. In none of those games have we shown any decent game management. We just seem so open at times in a desire to go toe to toe. It'll probably work if we pick up a couple of decent players this window, but will we get them? Of the 12(?) players we bought in the summer how many have been useful, and improved the team and its footballing quality. Nelson, Nyambe and perhaps Wilson. 
Overall I am happy we have another 3 points, and I can't wait for promotion, which I will celebrate like everyone. But lets not think we are achieving results as some plucky underdog. We are better than that, and Warne needs to cut out the mistakes he is making - see @Caerphilly Ram's viewpoint on his weaknesses above. He should also ensure he buys/prioritises a good midfielder to support Bird and Hourihane.

Walk along Tissington trail near Parsley Hay. Completely litter free apart from every few yards little black or green bags of Doggy poo. On return walk of about a mile and half I counted 18. Who do they think is going to collect it all. Getting dog owners a bad name.

I would like to think that the coaching and scouting departments attach some 'what if' to their planned tactics. In that, we will play this formation and team because we believe we will win, but 'what if' it doesn't work either because of player form or because the opposition have changed how they normally play, what do we do then? Last night I saw changes but nothing particularly impactful. All I saw was not for the first time this season, Derby being out-footballed (the stuff where you pass to your own teammates) by a supposedly inferior team.
Maybe the players didn't attach any importance to the game (I didn't), and if it had been a league game things may have been different.

I’ve corrected it for you the bold is warne signings.
 
the bold italic and underlined is Craig Forsyth signings 

Just got home. That was fun. Absolutely freezing, terrible game and had my ears bombarded all night by a large number of young people who both a: seemed extraordinarily giddy about being outside and watching a football match b: seemed to know absolutely nothing about the game they were watching and c - seemed only able to shout incoherent drivel where one out of every three words was an obscenity (not that I’m prudish about swearing, you understand… I couldn’t give a f… it was the inane nature of it that was far more troubling. Just shouting for shouting’s sake - and not in a ‘there to support the team’ sort of way, just shouting. One young person seemed to be trying to impress his girlfriend but only succeeded in making himself look silly; sadly I doubt he had the personal insight to recognise this).
I might not have noticed this too much if the football had been in any way engaging but it wasn’t and so I can only reflect on the state of our young people and consider whether I was similarly stupid when I was their age.  I can only surmise that I probably was and that makes me sad.  It also makes me realise that I’m probably closer to death than I am to their age. Which also makes me sad. 
So, yeah, thanks Paul and Co. I’ve probably got pneumonia, have become a grumpy old man shaking my fists at the youth of today and am pondering my own mortality… all because you couldn’t string two passes together against Bradford f’ing City. 

31Vickers 6
35Nelson 7
5Bradley 7
6Cashin 7
2Wilson 7
8Bird 8
4Hourihane 7
22Fornah 6
3Forsyth 6
20Elder 6
19John-Jules 6
7Barkhuizen 7
11Méndez-Laing 7
9Collins 7
16Thompson 7

It’s a horrendous formation just 4-4-2 please 

I doubt there a many fans who actually know or really care who Steve Bloomer is.
Had it not been for the song, I wouldn't have heard of him and even now, the only thing I know is that he's a former payer who did quite well and who died around 100 years ago.
I have never quite got the song, and as walk on music or music to work the crowd up; it's something of an embarrassment.
 
Having said that, I find the stupid bounce an embarrassment. When I go to a game, I like to sit and watch and enjoy. I don't need the hassle or pressure of having to sing a song with my daughter containing expletives and then bouncing up and down like some deranged zombie.
I find the stupid 'This is Derby' poem they play a major embarrassment. The words are actually cringeworthy.
I was watching Forest v Man Utd the other day and I was thinking just how much 'Mull of Kintyre' is working for them down the road. So much better than what we have. 
 
 

So everyone clapping, lots singing, with a finale of a loud “Derby!” isn’t building the atmosphere just seconds from kick off?
How would listening to music get the crowd engaging en mass anymore than this does?
 
Unless it’s less noise you want while you check your bets online? 😂
 

I must admit, I never met the guy, never saw him play, and have never knowingly met any of his descendants.  We do however share the same birthday... which is nice!
Anyway, the following comments relate to the aforementioned... and titular... Mr Steve Bloomer...
 
He played 525 times for Derby...  And scored a clear record 332 goals for The Rams.
After Jimmy Greaves, he is the second-highest all-time goalscorer in the top-flight of English football. 
While at Derby he was top scorer in the First Division on five occasions in 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901 and 1904. In 1896, together with John Campbell of Aston Villa. He was also the leading "Rams" scorer for 14 consecutive seasons and scored 17 hat-tricks in the league. One of his best seasons came in 1896–97 when he scored 31 goals, including five hat-tricks, in 33 League and FA Cup games. Between 14 November 1896 and 5 April 1897 he scored 21 goals in 20 games. He also scored six goals for the club in a game against Sheffield Wednesday in January 1899.
He helped Derby to win the Second Division title in 1911–12, and to finish second in the First Division in 1895–96; he also played on the losing side in four FA Cup semi-finals and three FA Cup finals (1898, 1899 and 1903).
After four years at Middlesbrough he returned to the Rams in 1910 and helped them win the Second Division title in 1912. 
He missed seven games of the 1893–94 season after Leicester Fosse half-back Peggy Lord broke his collarbone on 10 February. Bloomer recovered and claimed 19 goals from 27 appearances during the campaign.
Bloomer's goals helped Derby finish runners-up in the First Division in 1896 and helped them reach three FA Cup finals in 1898, 1899 and 1903. He scored in the 1898 final, a 3–1 defeat to Nottingham Forest. On 3 September 1900 Bloomer scored the first-ever goal at The Hawthorns, the 1–1 draw against West Bromwich Albion being the first match played at the ground.
He also had two spells as Rams Manager.
He also scored 28 goals in 23 appearances for England...
Bloomer made his England debut on 9 March 1895, scoring twice in a 9–0 win against Ireland, which helped England win the British Home Championship.
He scored in all of his first 10 international appearances, which remains a record for number of consecutive scoring appearances. He netted 19 times during these games, including 5 goals against Wales on 16 March 1896, winning three British Home Championships.
He became England's all-time top goalscorer on 2 April 1898, when he surpassed Tinsley Lindley's total of 14 with two goals against Scotland. On 18 March 1901, he scored four goals against Wales, becoming the first player to score two hat-tricks for England and also the first to score four goals for England twice, as England once again won the British Home Championship.
At the end of 1901, his goal tally stood at 25 in just 14 games.
He captained England once; against Scotland on 3 May 1902.
He finished his international career in 1907 as England's longest serving player and England's all-time top goalscorer with 28 goals. He held the record until his tally was overhauled by Vivian Woodward in 1911.
A plaque commemorating Bloomer's by-then demolished birthplace in Bridge Street, Cradley, was unveiled in 2000 by former Wolverhampton Wanderers and Derby player Jimmy Dunn and Bloomer's grandson Steve Richards.[53]
On 17 January 2009, after a long and sustained period of campaigning, a bust of Bloomer was finally unveiled inside Pride Park, Derby. Bloomer's two grandsons, Steve Richards and Alan Quantrill, unveiled the bust in the presence of Bloomer's family and relations, the sculptor Andy Edwards and thousands of Derby County fans. On 17 January 2009, a bust of Bloomer was unveiled next to the home dugout at Pride Park Stadium.
He remains a legend at Derby County
He also had to put up with quite a bit of s*** in Germany, during The Great War... including being interned at Ruhleben, a civilian detention camp in the Spandau district of Berlin, in 1914.
 
In January 2024, he was described by someone on the internet, claiming to be a Derby County fan, as "some dead footballer who no one really knows".
Allow me to repeat that, to avoid any doubt... "some dead footballer who no one really knows".
The above comment was further accompanied with "who the hell is Steve Bloomer....and I really don't care if he is watching or not."
 
This is the one time I am genuinely embarrassed to be in the presence of a fellow Derby County fan.
 

'That dead footballer' happens to be our record goalscorer. And I don't think it was just that remark that has aroused suspicion - you seem to hate everything about the Derby fan experience whilst making up some irrelevant nonsense about a club down the road. When they were rotting in League One, they certainly weren't booming out anything - in fact, a lot of them abandoned the club & the place was like a morgue. Their support is an embarrassment & so are your comments.