deanoakaram4life Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Knew this would happen. After Rotherham, everyone was sellable, but now fans want to hold on to their favourites. The fact is that the club needs change and if rowett thinks Ince needs to be sold then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, RamLad1884 said: Jordan Ibe, younger & hungrier. Personally this sell ince for £15 million, buy Ibe for around 7 million. Rest is to invest in the squad No chance Ibe is going for anywhere near £7 million, he was signed for £15 million and Bournemouth won't take an £8million loss in one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Selling Ince or Hughes is very likely to happen. It may even be that Ince wants to leave. If a big offer comes in for him he will go. No doubt in my mind. Get real people..........change is happening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Can anyone remember the outrage when we sold Tommy Smith and Idiakis? How did that season end? (forget the season after) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boycie said: Can anyone remember the outrage when we sold Tommy Smith and Idiakis? How did that season end? (forget the season after) And the five after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Andicis said: No chance Ibe is going for anywhere near £7 million, he was signed for £15 million and Bournemouth won't take an £8million loss in one season. Loan move is more realistic and would suit us better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, CumbrianRam said: And the five after. This isn't a clough bashing thread Cumber ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, HantsRam said: Just a thought and shoot me down for heresy, but as a team we were something like 30 odd goals down on last season (thought I saw that in another post). Is it possible that losing Tom might be in the better interests of the team as a whole? In terms of generating a more team based style. After all - he isn't really a winger in the conventional sense. The reason we were 30 odd goals down last season is because we loaned out our best striker who's goals and assists tend to be in the 20's. That's not even taking into account his all round play that helps us attacking-wise. If we hadn't had Ince, that decision could have resulted in us being relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconram Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Ask yourself have we moved forward since ince and bent came ,answer is no, because if we had we would be up .We had ward n Dawkins and has he done better than them two , if the price is right he will be gone .Selling Ince would probably allow to rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokidoki Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, PodgeyRam said: The reason we were 30 odd goals down last season is because we loaned out our best striker 18 minutes ago, PodgeyRam said: If we hadn't had Ince, that decision could have resulted in us being relegated Utter tosh. Ince fluffed more than he scored (you must remember how many air kicks?) and didn't pass too. He played the team out of shape most of the time and cannot play with a wing back (Uh... I should be there; bottom lippy!), he certainly does not know what an overlap is. I am sure that if we had have played Russell there, in, what is actually his better position, we may have had a confident Russell scoring a pot full more and we could then have developed our other two left wingers. But we had to play Ince. Martin is a genius when he turns up and when he doesn't go down the mister predictable route and then do his histrionics and get lazy, he also can only play in a certain shape so it makes the team ineffective if we have to counter the opposition's team's tactics. Overall, what we need is weekly consistency like what Bournemouth and Brighton have achieved in this league. To me and many others (Martin) he is not the player to do it and so many other players in the present team have proved to have similar traits. Let Rowett get rid and build something with genuine character. Let's just rebuild with the players that have that character (yes I've said it twice to emphasise) to take us to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lokidoki said: Utter tosh. Ince fluffed more than he scored (you must remember how many air kicks?) and didn't pass too. He played the team out of shape most of the time and cannot play with a wing back (Uh... I should be there; bottom lippy!), he certainly does not know what an overlap is. I am sure that if we had have played Russell there, in, what is actually his better position, we may have had a confident Russell scoring a pot full more and we could then have developed our other two left wingers. But we had to play Ince. Martin is a genius when he turns up and when he doesn't go down the mister predictable route and then do his histrionics and get lazy, he also can only play in a certain shape so it makes the team ineffective if we have to counter the opposition's team's tactics. Overall, what we need is weekly consistency like what Bournemouth and Brighton have achieved in this league. To me and many others (Martin) he is not the player to do it and so many other players in the present team have proved to have similar traits. Let Rowett get rid and build something with genuine character. Let's just rebuild with the players that have that character (yes I've said it twice to emphasise) to take us to the next level. So what your saying is get rid of Ince and Martin. Then play Russell on the right and we will be a better team? Can I have what you've been smoking! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, falconram said: Ask yourself have we moved forward since ince and bent came ,answer is no, because if we had we would be up .We had ward n Dawkins and has he done better than them two , if the price is right he will be gone .Selling Ince would probably allow to rebuild Simple answer is yes he has. Ince 25 goals in 83 games - Ward & Dawkins between them 33 in 175 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokidoki Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: Can I have what you've been smoking! ? Yes it's called reality; fresh air. If you had read what I said and thought about it, I said we would have ended up with more goals and perhaps a more balanced and compact team; guessing you don't see this in the matches you watch. I am saying what some folks don't want to hear and why we have missed out on promotion, for what seams endlessly; these players are nearly players in this situation and not good enough to take us up there. What does Rowett say - Not hard enough? They are part of the reason for failure; get rid and rebuild - we owe them nothing. We cannot afford to have players in this league that are not 100% committed for all of the match in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think Ince, and Hughes while we are at it, are as footballers considered pretty. I have never gained the impression that Gary likes pretty. He likes efficiency. Can't see Ince staying personally. Can't see it being pretty next season either. Probably will be efficient though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I have never gained the impression that Gary likes pretty. He likes efficiency. Can't see Ince staying personally. Can't see it being pretty next season either. Probably will be efficient though. You don't tend to get pretty and effective on a budget though do you? So I reckon he chose effective over pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 45 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Simple answer is yes he has. Ince 25 goals in 83 games - Ward & Dawkins between them 33 in 175 games Not sure its as simple as that Wolfie. Ince's skill and goal scoring is not in doubt, its more about if the team is better i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Would be a shame to lose the only player who is arguably Premier League quality in our side. But, like any departure, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Someone very astutely mentioned the Idiakez/Smith departures. I can remember thinking the season had ended. As we found out, it ended up being the beginning of something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Nuwtfly said: Would be a shame to lose the only player who is arguably Premier League quality in our side. But, like any departure, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Someone very astutely mentioned the Idiakez/Smith departures. I can remember thinking the season had ended. As we found out, it ended up being the beginning of something... The beginning of five years of awful football with workmanlike players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: You don't tend to get pretty and effective on a budget though do you? So I reckon he chose effective over pretty. I wasn't digging at Gary. Your point is of course fair, but my opinion remains the same that Gary prefers substance to style, money or no money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, uttoxram75 said: Not sure its as simple as that Wolfie. Ince's skill and goal scoring is not in doubt, its more about if the team is better i suppose. Agreed but the poster asked if Ince had done any better than Jamie and Dawkins. Based solely on games played and goals scored then clearly he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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