cheron85 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 4 hours ago, maydrakin said: When Clough brought Bywater to Burton after what he did at Derby, I didn't believe he would have any chance whatsoever of playing under him again. Similarly with Powell, whilst it may be unlikely, never completely rule it out... I don't see how that is the same? Bywater was a bit mad by all accounts but then a lot of keepers are (like drummers too)... He left because we had bought in Fielding and Legzdins who were ahead of him in the pecking order after he'd gotten injured... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I don't see how that is the same? Bywater was a bit mad by all accounts but then a lot of keepers are (like drummers too)... He left because we had bought in Fielding and Legzdins who were ahead of him in the pecking order after he'd gotten injured... His 'art installation' was to the point. Erwin Panofsky suggested a 3-point aspect to art appreciation: Look See Think Look - It looks like it was put together by a loony See - I can see that it looks like it was put together by a loony Think - I think the artist is a loony. I can appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 41 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I don't see how that is the same? Bywater was a bit mad by all accounts but then a lot of keepers are (like drummers too)... He left because we had bought in Fielding and Legzdins who were ahead of him in the pecking order after he'd gotten injured... Bywater allegedly feigned injury to be substituted and then before he was shipped out, posted some pretty bizarre, cryptic tweets which were presumably aimed at management. The Bywater situation isn't the same, you're right. It was much less likely to happen than this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Passing interest but joining Wolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Duracell said: Bywater allegedly feigned injury to be substituted and then before he was shipped out, posted some pretty bizarre, cryptic tweets which were presumably aimed at management. The Bywater situation isn't the same, you're right. It was much less likely to happen than this is. Spot on. He tweeted that Clough had lost the dressing 'gown', amazing that he took him to Burton, but then again people say sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor1946 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 carry on by all means but Burton is the last of his options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantona Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Powell is poison.....Wolves are welcome if he goes there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Maybe he see's him as a possible replacement for Hendrick ? Get Powell on a free sell Jeff for £5/6m.... buy a striker with the £5/6m, My understanding is that Pearson does like to 'balance the books' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Grantona said: Powell is poison.....Wolves are welcome if he goes there. Remember when Troy Deeney was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 When I play Football Manager which, lets face it, is why we have all become such sodding experts at every facet of football management and club ownership, I often look out for potentially decent free signings to - you know - see if they can reach their potential.. If they do, they play 500 games and help me win multiple Champions Leagues. If they don't they get shipped out for either a small fee (profit) or I kick 'em in the bin 'cos they cost me nowt. Maybe Powell is in this category? Somebody who may have a lot of potential and who may turn out to be a reasonable investment/worthwhile risk even if he only plays a small part in the club's long term success. It's no skin off my nose if we sign a young(ish)'un on a free and see how it goes and if it goes nowhere well we've lost nothing have we... except wages, which we will have factored into the aforementioned risk. Anyway, all moot if he's going to Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 hour ago, LazloW said: When I play Football Manager which, lets face it, is why we have all become such sodding experts at every facet of football management and club ownership, I often look out for potentially decent free signings to - you know - see if they can reach their potential.. If they do, they play 500 games and help me win multiple Champions Leagues. If they don't they get shipped out for either a small fee (profit) or I kick 'em in the bin 'cos they cost me nowt. Maybe Powell is in this category? Somebody who may have a lot of potential and who may turn out to be a reasonable investment/worthwhile risk even if he only plays a small part in the club's long term success. It's no skin off my nose if we sign a young(ish)'un on a free and see how it goes and if it goes nowhere well we've lost nothing have we... except wages, which we will have factored into the aforementioned risk. Anyway, all moot if he's going to Wolves. I'm a football expert (not) but compared to some on here then maybe I am and I've never played Football Manager. Like to think I live in the real world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: I'm a football expert (not) but compared to some on here then maybe I am and I've never played Football Manager. Like to think I live in the real world! Haven't played FM ? It's the only way to know who will be worth signing. Right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 45 minutes ago, Cisse said: Haven't played FM ? It's the only way to know who will be worth signing. Right ? Right! Just think how successful the likes of Shankly, Ferguson, Paisley and our Brian would have been had it been available throughout their managerial careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Right! Just think how successful the likes of Shankly, Ferguson, Paisley and our Brian would have been had it been available throughout their managerial careers. Well it emerged in the mid nineties so Ferguson definitely could have used it. Obviously he didn't but the scouting network it developed over the years is pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: Well it emerged in the mid nineties so Ferguson definitely could have used it. Obviously he didn't but the scouting network it developed over the years is pretty amazing. He definitely used it to buy tevez I had him for a couple of years before he came to England at West Ham. Cracking FM player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Wolfie20 said: I'm a football expert (not) but compared to some on here then maybe I am and I've never played Football Manager. Like to think I live in the real world! Unlike many I am able to differentiate between the real and the fanstasy world of a computer game, but there is something to be said about art imitating life and an analogy about computer games doesn't automatically make the point invalid.. However, the real essence of what I was trying to say wasn't really about football manager but actually about whether or not signing a player some people don't rate is that bad an idea when he'll not cost a lot and has some potential to be good. Its just a small calculated risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I remember talking to quite a thoughtful football league manager (real not computer game!) about his recruitment one time. He said their most successful policy and best team came from going after players who were high profile as youths, either starting at big clubs or moving to them for big fees when young, but then fading from the scene. The thought was that once more mature, many of these players can finally start to fulfil their early potential. Maybe it could work with Powell? I'll trust Pearson on his experiences from his time with Powell before and whether he believes the lad now has what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: He definitely used it to buy tevez I had him for a couple of years before he came to England at West Ham. Cracking FM player Has Fergie actually said this? I would have thought his decision to buy Tevez was more likely based on either he or his scouting team seeing him playing for West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: I remember talking to quite a thoughtful football league manager (real not computer game!) about his recruitment one time. He said their most successful policy and best team came from going after players who were high profile as youths, either starting at big clubs or moving to them for big fees when young, but then fading from the scene. The thought was that once more mature, many of these players can finally start to fulfil their early potential. Maybe it could work with Powell? I'll trust Pearson on his experiences from his time with Powell before and whether he believes the lad now has what it takes. Do you have any examples of the players he signed? When I think about the sort of players you described I think of players like Richard Wright, Francis Jeffers, Keith Gillespie, Joe Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 United never get rid of players that make it good...take Podgba for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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